The Disaster in Haiti – If You Lived There When This Happened Would You have Had a BOB Ready to go?
If you have not read URBAN SURVIVAL: Do You Really Need a Bug Out Bag? Part – 1 please read that article first. In this series of articles (Part 1, 2, 3 and 4) I will go over several different scenarios (natural and man made) and determine the need for a BOB. I will also list (well, suggest) things that you should include in your BOB in separate articles.
In Part 1 of ‘Do You Really Need a Bug Out Bag?’ I challenged the widely held belief that you need a BOB (bug out bag). After going over the most common reasons; hurricanes and tornadoes, flooding, earthquakes, civil unrest, pandemic, terrorism, nuclear attack and even zombie attack – I could not find one instance in the western world where you would run out your front door full blast only grabbing a bag.
All right, that was easy – so you don’t need a BOB right? You can go out and spend you BOB budget on beer and ammo instead of Swedish fire-starters and space blankets?
Not exactly, there are several situations that you may find yourself in where it is not only suggested that you have a BOB, it would be foolish not to have one. Location and occupation are the main determining factors deciding the need for a BOB.
So, who needs a BOB?
One of the major groups of people that should have a BOB packed and ready to go at a moments notice are Expats (people who live in a country other than their own) Living in a 3rd World Country.
Hundreds of thousands of people from modern 1st world countries work and live in the 3rd world. Some are posted there by an employer and some just choose to live overseas for a verity of reasons. But one of the problems with this group is they have the mindset that they are still living in the West.
In the 1st world a riot in a city or some light flooding really isn’t a big deal. Events like those would be lucky to get a 20 second sound bite in-between Britney Spears updates and sports scores.
But in the 3rd world the above could cause civil war or a major pandemic.
Here are some examples of what happens during natural and man made disasters in the 3rd world compared to the same thing happening in the 1st world and why you would need an Expat BOB:
Civil Unrest:
1st World: Back home if a bit of civil unrest breaks out the worst that will happen is a some looting and property damage before the cops break it up.
3rd World: In the 3rd world civil unrest can mean going from a fairly moderate democratic country to a brutal dictatorship overnight. Or just having a mob of rioters bust down your front door wile the local cops sit a half a block away getting drunk in their squad car.
Expat BOB Time: If people start tearing down statues of the local ‘democratically’ elected president and burning bibles then you better get out of the major cities ASAP and hide out in a village until things calm down.
Natural Disaster/Pandemic:
1st World: When a natural disaster happens back home the police, emergency services and National Guard swoop in with tens of millions of dollars worth of equipment and start the rescue and recovery. They will even even eventually build temporary shelters, food distribution points and mobile hospitals.
It doesn’t always happen overnight and one time the government dropped that ball, but generally speaking the above is true.
3rd World: In some parts of the 3rd world you are lucky to see an ambulance made before 1985 show up 2 hours after an earthquake has flattened an area.
And after a natural disaster don’t expect the local tin-pot government to respond with millions of dollars in food, temporary shelter and medical care (it has already been spent on mistress and 80 room mansions for the local Ray-Ban wearing president). Government assistance wont happen for you unless you are rich or part of the ruling elite.
Also with all of the bodies still in the streets and sewage that has backed up expect large scale breakouts of communicable diseases.
And a pandemic? Remember what happened in China, the government tried to keep it quiet until it was already out of control.
Expat BOB Time: If basic government services have ceased due to a major natural disaster or a pandemic breaks out it is best to just leave the country immediately before disease, crime, food and water shortages start breaking out.
Business:
1st World: If you catch your local business partner stealing from your business or you deliver 50K worth of computers to a company and they don’t pay, all you have to do is call the cops or a lawyer. Eventually you will either get your money or stock back or the offending party goes to jail.
3rd World: Your local partner steals your stock and empties your joint business accounts, then he pays a visit to his ‘cousin’ that happens to be a General in the local police and BAM! you are now a wanted drug dealer.
Sound outrageous? Not really, it happens all the time in the 3rd world. Local connected guys know they are untouchable in the eyes of the law if it is them VS a foreigner.
Expat BOB Time: Your only choice is to immediately run and get your ass out of the country to somewhere you can work things out remotely or just escape arrest.
Rule of Law:
1st World: If you are driving down the road and some car rear ends you and crashes into a ditch, the law sees it as their fault (generally). Or if some guy punches you in your face and you push him back so you can run away, you are not guilty of a crime. Basically in the 1st world if you don’t directly harm anyone for no reason and without pre-mediation then you are basically clean.
3rd World: In places like the Middle East a local can crash into your car killing all of the passengers and YOU will go to jail. Yep, because the guy that smashed into you is the 64th cousin twice removed to the Emir and that makes you guilty, period.
Do you think that you can hit one of the 3 guys that is beating you down to defend yourself? Nope, because the guys beating you down are locals (that’s it, they are locals so they are not guilty).
Expat BOB Time: If you don’t immediately run away and jump on a plane after the accident or fight, well… have fun being the only American in a Middle Eastern jail.
Terrorism:
1st World: When a major terrorist attack occurs in the 1st world the response is immediate, the news is mostly balanced and initially stays away from ‘tinfoil-hat’ conspiracies and the government will spend billions if necessary to find and punish those responsible.
3rd World: After a major terrorist attack in the 3rd world the initial response will be fast, after that things will either progress quickly or take years to solve. Depending on the country, after an attack the city will be completely parlayed or the locals will just walk over the ruble on the way to work.
If it ends being a drawn out investigation local politicians, religious leaders and the media may start barfing up all sorts of “theories” behind the attack. Everything from “the (insert religion here) did it” to the old favorite 3rd world explanation of “the CIA is behind it”. Silly grandstanding and newspaper profiteering can lead to resentment towards anyone from the 1st world.
Expat BOB Time: This is a tough one, so far their more or less hasn’t been civil unrest or a huge backlash against western Expats living in the 3rd world after a terrorist attack. That is generally because foreigners are the ones that were targeted during the attack so most reasonable locals don’t blame Rock n Roll or Levi jeans. Or they just honestly don’t care.
In my opinion any time you are living somewhere an entire country may be on edge for several months due to a shocking event you should have a BOB in case of civil unrest or anti-western violence.
Conclusion…
Living in the 1st world where the society is somewhat politically stable, the rule of law is enforceable on everyone and the emergency services are highly trained, heavily funded and staffed with heroic men – owning a BOB is not an absolute necessity.
But in the 3rd world where you can go to jail for murder because someone else ran into your car going 60 miles over the speed limit and bodies lay on the street weeks after a flood, then you do need a BOB so you can leave the country (or just heavily populated areas) immediately.
In the next 2 articles in this series of “Do You Really Need a Bug Out Bag?” I will go over the 2 other situations and scenarios where you do need a BOB.
So be on the lookout for:
“Do You Really Need a Bug Out Bag? Part 3”
And
“Do You Really Need a Bug Out Bag? Part 4”
I am also writing a companion article for this article on how to put together an Expat BOB. It will be up in a few days and is based off my experience living and working in the 3rd world.
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~James G
James G is a Veteran Civilian Contractor who has worked in the Middle East and Southeast Asia for way too long. He spends his off time in his homes in Indonesia and Virginia getting drunk, shooting guns and writing poorly written articles.










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This is a phenomenal series – even if you completely omitted the refs to the BOB, the main thrust of this segment – altering one’s Western civilization mindset when in a foreign country where your citizenship means little or nothing – is worth the price of admission.
I know that in parts of Mexico & South America in general – and in parts of Bosnia-Herzegovina – there are places where the disappearance of a Western tourist, employee, adventurer or thrill-seeker, doesn’t even make the news.
If a US citizen’s camera, GPS, jewelry or Rolex turn up for sale in a local shop, or on the person of a local warlord / police chief, no one bats an eye. Remembering that you ain’t in Kansas any more, is an excellent point and a true survival tip!
About BOBs in general – I know that some people who consider a SHTF scenario involving armed confrontations within the US geo confines, will indeed keep a kit of weapons maintenance gear, ammo, and so on; and survivalists will keep a number of things like MREs ( which I HOPE taste better than C or K rats ) and bivouac supplies planning for an ‘off the grid’ life following an EMP event or whatever.
And a lot of 2nd Amendment folk ( like one who lives here!) keep their powder dry and their ammo cached. But I have seen entire websites devoted to BOBs and one fellow admits that his weighs almost 60 pounds!!! With that kind of load, you ain’t buggin’ anywhere; maybe crawling or shuffling or schlepping… but unless you are heading into an actual combat zone, or entering an area where combat is likely, I can’t see carrying more stuff than an ALICE pack would hold.
Sorry to carry on. Looking forward to more! Great work.
julian(Quote This Comment)
A 60 pound BOB? Funny, that’s like having a one pound fire-starting kit
That’s another thing about BOBs – how many of the people that own one are in great physical shape in the first place?
If you don’t walk or run on a regular basis – how do you expect to walk long distances with a BOB wile under stress, probably underfed, dehydrated and possibly avoiding capture/criminals – and over uneven terrain?
~James G
James G(Quote This Comment)
It’s funny. I’ve debated this whether or not I need a BOB many times, living where I do in this country. (US) The answer has always been ‘probably not’. I can survive off the land and water and my AO is fairly defensible withe my resources and weaponry. Great articles, JG.
medicsixzero(Quote This Comment)
Great follow up! Looking at some of the survival forums you see the BoB craze. But the cast majority of them make deployment bags. Great emphasis on the difference between 1st and 3rd world or even on vacation. Keep a bag you need to have essentials with you in case you need to pop smoke out of a hotel or hot spot for whatever reason.
Kudzu35(Quote This Comment)
I keep a bag in my jeep, it is more of a “oh crap my jeep sucks and died and i might need to sleep in it” bag. I have a family with little one, we are not bugging out anywhere.
tim(Quote This Comment)
Sure – a vehicle emergency kit is must-have
But a BOB for the end of the world – negative
~James G
James G(Quote This Comment)
As a civilian contractor who regularly enjoys the fine cuisine of some foreign dining facilities, in some less than peaceful corners of the planet, it never ceases to amaze me, the lack of situational awareness that most westerners carry with them overseas.
I’ve been in more than a few situations where I was ready to, or did, severe ties with the dead weight I was traveling with and make for safe harbor on my own.
Anything from drinking/driving/racing on the motorways of Europe, to drunkenly arguing religion in a Middle Eastern cafe, to exploring the delights of the “helper ladies” of the far east. Bad things really do happen to naive westerners in bad places.
Thanks for the GREAT articles. It’s nice to see my foreign tour preps echoed by those infinitely more prepared, experienced, and hardened than I.
Guerrilla(Quote This Comment)
Glad you like the site, and it’s good to see another Civilian Contractor here
~James G
James G(Quote This Comment)
Civilian here says that a BOB is ABSOLUTELY essential. A little tactical minded, situationally aware, organised for any kind of go mindset and gearing helps anywhere but especially when travelling.
It doesn’t mean you need the latest tactical gear or need to be rambo or anything. It just means you need the right stuff to keep you alive and kicking in the event of … anything.
So if a civvie like me (and I’m not the only one) can have this ephiphany…what about professionals like you?
adil(Quote This Comment)
Well, like I say in this Article and the one before (in my opinion) it depends one your environment.
In the US I do not own a BOB – I just don’t see the need
In hostile environments (like Iraq) or in the 3rd world I do
I would say if you live in the US just keep the money that you would have spent on a BOB in your wallet or buy more Bug-In supplies for your home
Damn… I need to bang out Part 3
~James G
James G(Quote This Comment)
james, here in singapore there was an article about a lady who survived a fire in her apartment (we live primarily in high rise apartments) and ever since she had a small roll away case with
1) important documents
2) some clothes
3) food
She lost everything in the fire and bear in mind her gear is for the family.
I hear you about being home and safe and not really needing a BOB. Being in the line that you are I guess you seen and experienced more than most.
However, a civilian BOB in my books is essential and part of it includes keeping good care of good gear
BTW I LOVE my contractor cap! … the fun meter and suck meter patches are just SOO cute… hehehehe.. sorry just couldnt resist!
adil(Quote This Comment)
Hmmmm… I think that would come under just being prepared if there is a fire, not necessarily under owing a BOB.
Things like keeping your documents somewhere safe and having enough cash in case of an emergency are just common sense things.
But since you live in Singapore I would say that you should own an Expat BOB (article coming soon).
AAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MORAL PATCHES!!!! – My other pet peeve
I am the only guy here at DVM that doesn’t own any; Bubba gives me shit over it all the time – lol
~James G
James G(Quote This Comment)
James: where we live ( Kansas ) , we get those nasty things called tornadoes in the summer and really bad ice storms come winter. So, if you lose power, it’s a good idea to be able to GTFO. If you have to laager in place, or you can’t leave your location, just keep your supplies packed away in a watertight container. By the way, I hate MREs. Gimme C-rats any day ( except for ham & limas ) . I check my supplies at least twice a year. Call me paranoid, but things have been known to go south . And, since gear bags change faster than most folks change their shorts, I can’t see buying one just yet.
Jeff(Quote This Comment)
Waaal, my ol’ Daddy was a WWI vet and he said iffen a man caint make it with what all’s in his pockets, he probly ain’t fit to live anyhow. He always kept a clean Barlow knife, a Zippo with a dime and a coulle extra flints hid up in the wadding, a roll of cash, which tended to be a bit damp with sweat, a magnifyin’ glass and his old brass compass plus a small H&R.32 revolver. And his old cut-throat razor, a red neckerchief and a little bar of soap wrapped in tinfoil.
A few tea bags, a needle and thread, a small notebook with the phone numbers of well-fixed relatives and a few local ‘women of easy virtue’. A loop of wire and a hip flask of Irish whiskey. His wire-rimmed sunglasses. A metal snuff-box holding bobby pins, his lucky gold tooth taken from a German officer, and three uncut diamonds for barter.
A lockpick, a Gillette Blue Blade razor blade in its cardboard and paper safety wrapper. A brown glass pill bottle with some APC tablets and some powdery stuff he called his ‘nose candy’, whatever that was, some kinda medicine I reckon. And a set of wires and clamps that he said would start any car engine in the Southern USA.
I still remember that clanking sound he made when he staggered up the stairs at night to let and my brother out of our closet.
Yep, he was quite a guy, and HE didn’t need no sissified carryin’ bags!
Holden McGroin(Quote This Comment)
Holden McGroin?
Hahahahaaa…
~James G
James G(Quote This Comment)
ive have been reading you site all day and im really glad i was turned on to it,but i must disagree a little on the BOB.
my bob is not to survive in the wild running from the end of the world but to help, survive comfortably if we need to leave our home..for any reason.
my logic
1. if we have to evacuate because of weather or chemical spill , you have a bag ready with enough basics to get you where you need to go and not stop and have to buy supplies with the rest of the masses..wile they evacuated for katrina i was still going to work,in sorrento, gas stations along the evac route were picked clean,the popeyes by work ran out of everything but biscuits and french fries.the mcdonalds had a 2 mile long line before they ran out of food the walmarts were out of everything useful from locals not evacuating buying supplies..there was a steady line of cars jumping on and off the i10 looking for food and drink. im sure many of them would have liked a few mre’s,cliff bars, granola bars something they could chew on and drink instead of having to fight traffic back and forth looking for some supplies.(ill give you that pre packing and planing you wouldnt need a bob in this scenario by itself but factor in that sometimes they recommend you to evac 3 or 4 times a hurricane season,its not always mandatory, so having a BOB set up makes life easier)
2. trying to find a place to stay in a evacuation type scenario..most of the hotels were full,even out of state,so having some supplies to camp at a nice camp ground increases your chances of finding some place to stay in some sort of comfort,im going to do what ever i can to keep my family out of a shelter.
3. if something like a fire happens and your bag is set up right all you have to do is grab the bag,family and jump out the window if need be,with change of clothes,copies of important documents, phone numbers,spare car keys,c cards,check cards,even a flash drive with copies of pictures and videos you could replace,cash some food and water.you can avoid having to stay at a shelter. with all your important documents you can set up shop at a hotel,campground,friends house and have alll the information you need to get the ball rolling to regain your life.
4. a prepacked bag,that was thoughtfully put together lessens the chance of forgetting important items you might forget wile packing in a rush. to be honest leaving for a hurricane is a pain in the ass and you always wait till the last minute because it could always change direction at any minute,or just peter out and turn into a normal rain storm.so having everything ready to go makes life easy especially if it turns out to be nothing and you return home right just to unpack..reduces some of the stress involved in evacuating knowing you have important items and all you have to do is grab a few extras if need be,grab and go and not have to worry about running around like a mad man trying to get everything together.
just yesterday in a small town in louisiana had a chemical spill and had to evac the town. a bunch ppl got cought at work ended up in a shelter with nothing but work clothes a small bob in the car would have been a god sent for them..so there are some emergency’s a BOB set up properly would be more then helpful even in the states.
but i more then agree a BOB shoud not be set up to survive TEOTWAWKI..
damn didnt mean to ramble.
Asc.rudeboy(Quote This Comment)
If a BOB is kept simple like the boyscout motto be prepared , I do not see the harm in having one. Mine whether in CONUS or in some 3rd world situation . I keep one that really is nothing more than camping stuff. My family and I enjoy the outdoors together .
Better to keep it packed than to run around the house looking for some trivial Item. I do still every once in a while have to search with a 12 year old Boy Scout , and my being gone working . He moves everything from tools to sleeping bags LOL!
I agree with your positions from 1 and 2 of this article , I just see it as a basic kit . That covers anything that can make life easier in the outdoors . I am also a gear whore so sorry . Jesus f)(kingchrist 60 LBS of gear no way! Maybe with my Fire and Ice (cooler/cooker) combo in my SUV when going on a campout . If you cannot be low key ,a gray man = fail…
Cheers!
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swordpoint9(Quote This Comment)
I’m not sure with you position on a BoB and how to use it. I live in Kenya as an expat, the country is nice but fragile. What do I consider my BoB: cash, passport, credit cards, phones and car keys.
I do have other things like a fairly good first aid kid and my sturdy travel pharmacy (antibiotics, antihystamines, pain killers, anti diarrhea tablets, water purification and a couple of other things) in other pouches; but if the SHTF then it’s out to the airport asap or the embassy. I should probably have more cash available because one doesn’t know if credit cards will work.
On the other hand, if we exclude natural events like earthquakes or flooding then most TEOTWAWKI scenarios mean an economic or political meltdown. These processes take time and don’t generally affect expats immediately. For example a year and half ago Kenya was engulfed by tribal violence, did expats leave? Some did, the rest went to the normal restaurants which didn’t even close down one minute. Because the violence was localised. If a country goes under the immediate effects are empty shelfs, return to foreign currencies (usually Dollar) and an increase in crime not bikers with mesh shirts, bad theeth and a penchant for 80′s memorabilia. I just read an article about Argentina in 2001 and it describes what happens when a country collapses economically (http://www.survival-spot.com/survival-blog/argentina-collapse/), makes for bleak reading. But these are not BoB scenarios, you have enough time to leave if you have the financial means. The ones who suffer are the people who cannot leave.
I disagree with the point that you can hide in the villages, please as an expat you are safer in the cities. On the countryside you are an outsider and nobody will help you.
Sorry for the long comment, keep this site going, love it.
Bob(Quote This Comment)
Thanks for point that out – I actually said hiding in the villages because I know locals in the smaller towns that I could hang with, so I should rephrase that to: “If you have someone you can lay low with in the village”
But in Asia even foreign strangers are generally welcome in small towns and villages (at least from my experiences)
*Note: the majority of my Expat experience in is Asia and the Middle East so I cant speak of other parts of the world
~James G
James G(Quote This Comment)
I am new here, and man am I glad I found you guys! I thought I was the only one HATING the morons in the “5.11 tuxedo’s” on some of the other boards playing badass.
I am a police officer in a midsize midwest US city. I have taken in the info from some other boards and devised an action plan of my own, using what works for me. I have decided that a BOB is part of my preps,, in the sense of having a small pack in my car with a change of clothes, food, h2o, meds/kit, some small tools and some other stuff would be good to have in case I need it.
My wife has a bag, and we have one for our two kids. These include the “fire in the house grab-and-go kits,” and another small case with some food, ammo, sundries, etc, more of a camping kit than anything. I erred on the “it’s better to have it and not need it…” mentality, knowing that I can grab this stuff and relocate 2.5 hours north to the inlaws if need be.
I am not a contractor by any means (unless you count the security jobs I do part-time,) but I would like to think that I am prepared to the best of my ability to protect and provide for my family.
Keep up the great work and articles guys!
jsx1043(Quote This Comment)
Sure, a car emergency bag is a good idea
~James G
James G(Quote This Comment)
I would like to thanks James for yet another good write up. I have a couple points that come to mind about the BOB and use of. Knowledge is a big one, as has been said knowing how to use whats in the bag is a big one. But the bag is only part of the “Knowledge” bit. One big one to me is knowing about your surroundings and lay of the land so to say, if your living in your home town you most likely know all the roads and have a good idea about what ones would flood ect. Now put yourself in another city in a 1st or 3rd world country. What do you know about the lay of the land? what is the neighborhoods like to the north or south? Are they rough or blue collar? The list goes on. You can glean a lot by hanging with the locals without sounding like your writing AAR. A simple statement like I was thinking about walking down XYZ street and the local replies something like “Oh I dont know if that is a good idea, a little rough down there”, well there you go dont want to bug out that way. If your in a 3rd world spend some time online and pick up what you can BEFORE you go and while there buddy up with some westerners if possible.
As for the physical lay of the land I found google sat map to be a good one. I have not checked on 3rd world sat maps but like North Ireland some parts a blocked to all but basic road maps. Maybe James or someone could bounce a little intel back about 3rd world and sats. Another good resource is your basic road or tourist maps even if they just show where some castle is and the routes to it. All the maps and sat dont mean jack though if you dont get some boots on the ground and check your proposed bug out route. What looks good on an outdated map or sat view could turn out to be a busted to hell cow path, ok if your on foot but will really F your Toyota up and whats the point of the BOB if you loose it at gunpoint even in the best of times!
Kris(Quote This Comment)
James G,
Great blog, and loads of excellent points! Keep up the great work!
I’d like to say just one thing, though first I’ll apologize up front if it’s been said already, lots of folks have hinted at it, but not sure it’s been nailed yet.
everyone needs to revisit just what a B.O.B. is… it’s called a BUG OUT BAG!!… not a comfy stuff I’d like for a week of “roughing” it… read a few folks mentioning they have or know of guys with up to 60Lbs BOBs… sorry guys, that ain’t a BUG OUT BAG, it’s a full load out kit ready for the long hump. A BOB is what would be on top of said kit for that S-H-T-F moment, were you make that decision to fight it out or ditch gear and G-O-O-D ( Get Out Of Dodge). like all “bags” molle, alice, ruck, you name it… we fill it to the max, then wish it wasn’t so full so we ask for a bigger bag , then proceed to fill it to the point of being stuffed, cycle repeats, repeats, repeats…back to the basics, BOBs are just enough to survive, has anyone mentioned cash??… I recommend minimum $75, sometimes money buys a time, travel or temporary silence.
I’ll stop my ranting of a mad man now… hope I’ve made my point… if you BOB is bigger than the top flap of your ruck.. you’re wrong!!, find another name, but it ain’t a Bug Out Bag.
Dave B(Quote This Comment)
Personally I think everyone should have a BOB. Now I am not talking about a “I am going to live off the land and sneak behind enemy lines cause Red Dawn finally came true and there are Russian Paratroopers in my back yard bag” There are times that we may have to evacuate the safety of our homes on very short notice. There are two examples that I have been involved with. First are hazmat spills. This can happen anywhere there are roadways or railways. When you have a cloud of toxic fumes headed your way you want a grab and go bag. The other is a police evacuation due to a crazy ass neighbor. In both of these cases you only have a couple minutes to get out of Dodge.
I am talking about basic personal hygiene, change of clothes, meds, hard copy of phone numbers, copy of insurance policy etc.
stevem174(Quote This Comment)
James,
I think you did a great job of breaking down the realities and misconceptions of why someone would think they need a BOB. I think part of the problem is with the name BOB. I myself don’t carry or own a conventional BOB. I have a bag I carry with stuff I feel I may need on a day to day basis at work. A duty bag, tools and reference stuff on a palm TX and some backup stuff. Just as an LEO would carry spare uniform and other things self purchased to make the job and life easier. If the SHTF you either have the warning as you said or none at all. That’s is where you have to have learned and practiced some awareness and survival skills that can be used where you are at whether they be urban, wilderness or otherwise you need to have the right skills for the environment. That would be the true BOB content that is needed. the skills to fit in, adapt, scrounge, endure or escape and evade until the incident is over or is not a factor anymore.
Steve P(Quote This Comment)
given up on writing parts 3 and 4?
Spartacus(Quote This Comment)
I was just wondering about parts 3 and 4 myself.
beastslayer(Quote This Comment)
I would ahve to disagree about not having some sort of bob in 1st world country. If you recall what happen in Katrina as a classic example.
tim(Quote This Comment)
Awaiting part 3 and 4. When your not to busy taking down baddies and spending time with cheap women. Thanks James.
The Great Silence(Quote This Comment)
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