H2H FIGHTING: The “Brick to the Head” and Other Stuff You Didn’t Learn at the Dojo

Heads up beoch!

I got an email from a buddy of mine that I have known since way-way back in the day, about a fight he got in my old stomping grounds back in D.C. I met this dude at a martial arts class (that our parents were making us take) when I was like 13 and somehow over the years we have managed to keep in touch, one of my Old School boys.

Anyway, he was telling me about this fight he jumped into when one of his buddies was getting his ass stomped like a mo-fo by a steroided up douchebag outside of an Applebee’s. The reason behind the fight was a long-ass boring story that’s not even remotely interesting at all, let’s just say his buddy had been having problems with this guy for years – over a girl of course.

The fight started off pretty mundane, just two idiots trading fists in a parking lot over some broad. And besides his friend getting his ass handed to him, it was just a normal fight until the big dude kept pounding his buddy way after the fight should have been over.

So he started yelling at the big guy “ok dude, he has had enough, just walk away man, you won” – gorilla boy wasn’t even paying attention to him so he kept beating his buddy’s near unconscious body into the pavement.

Not wanting to see his friend get beaten to death in an Applebee’s parking lot (which would have been an embarrassing obituary) my buddy was getting ready to jump-in and go H2H with this fool when he decided to just pick up a brick and throw it at the big dudes head.

BAM – Fight Over, big guy taking a nap in the street.

Anyway, after laughing my ass off I said “sensei didn’t teach us that one bro” – he said “hell no, can you imagine a brick-throwing kata, that shit would be funny as hell dude”

So now besides having a new funny story, I have an additional H2H move in my dirty-fighting toolbox (not that thire is such a thing as “fair fighting” anyway) just incase I happen to see a buddy getting curb-stomped at the local Applebee’s.

Fighting dirty – Anchorman style

James G.’s List of “Non-Traditional” H2H Fighting Moves:

- The Kick in the Nuts
The Sand to the Face
The Bitch Slap
The Sucker Punch
(And now) – The Brick to the Head

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~James G
Founder – Editor in Chief

James G is a Veteran Civilian Contractor who has worked in the Middle East and Southeast Asia for way too long; he has traveled to over 50 countries chasing fortune and glory. He spends his off time in Indonesia and Virginia getting drunk, shooting guns, writing poorly written articles and throwing bricks

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35 thoughts on “H2H FIGHTING: The “Brick to the Head” and Other Stuff You Didn’t Learn at the Dojo”

  1. I love this headline.

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    1. Yea, pretty much summed it up. :-)

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  2. I wonder what would happen if a “fake” brick was placed in plain sight at our next “DT” day. Would anyone pick it up and use it if it fell into our use of force policy?
    Might have to try that!

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  3. A good friend of mine who trains as a boxer but does not compete was confronted by a loud mouthed 46 year old drunk Douche Bag inside a club. He wisely decided to leave the bar when the guy would not back off.

    When they got outside DB and my friend had another confrontation where the 46 yr. old DB started calling them fags (they were with their GF’s) and threw the first punch which missed it’s mark. My friend responded with a two punch combination knocking his opponent to the ground. He followed him down to make sure he was done and did not hit the guy while he was down.

    The results?

    The police arrived arrested the younger (24 yr. old ) “thug” and carted Mr.DB off to the hospital where he stayed for 4-5 hours. My friend just got out of prison after taking a plea. He was charged with Felony Assault/Att.Murder. He was facing 8-15 yrs. if convicted. He served 13 months of 24 and was only released after several pleas to the judge who sentenced him. My friend was honorably discharged from the Air Force and had no previous arrests for ANYTHING.

    The good old days of a good ol’ bar fight are long dead. Our society allows the loser to file criminal charges and to file law suits for damages to save his damaged ego. Don’t put your life in the hands of our judicial system over a slight in a bar or a dame. The John Wayne days are gone I am sad to say. The lawyers run the world now.

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    1. This is why immediate E&E should always be on the table. Park well away from venues so no one can get a tag, Plan B just leave the car, hop a cab from elsewhere, and lay low for a few weeks or just never go back.

      Or better yet…avoid places where people are active in their alcoholism.

      Our “Legal” system seems less interested in sorting out who was in the right or wrong and more interested in coming down on anyone it percieves as having disturbed the chickens.

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  4. When I was in elementary school, and getting in a lot of fights, I picked up a copy of Colonel Rex Applegate’s “Kill Or Get Killed” in the WWII section of the public library. I found his idea that “unarmed combat exists to tide you over until you can get a weapon” very influential. So I became a big fan of picking up handy objects to hit people with.

    The average brick wall is a lot harder than your knuckles, so bouncing someone’s face off of it at high speed is going to do more damage than punching the guy.

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  5. Brick versus Fist…some sort of perspective

    Rocky Marciano allegedly had one of his gloved punches measured at 925ft/lbs of energy.

    A standard red house brick weighs approx 6lb’s and if it’s thrown at a speed of 12mph impacts with around 550ft/lbs of energy or slightly more than half the energy of Rocky’s punch.

    What does this mean? Probably that I haven’t had enough booze tonight.

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  6. Make the fight private, make it fast, make it decisive…then walk away. If you see him later, he’ll just be the guy who tripped in the alley, not the wimp who got his butt kicked.

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  7. Take heed about shit like this. Unless there is a clear victim in a disturbance everyone goes to jail for something or other. Witnesses come out of the woodwork backing up each combatant’s story. Fights are generally total clusters to investigate/figure out. Often times the true A-Hole is hard to ID and thus everyone goes to jail. Innocent people go to jail everyday in this country.

    Avoiding problems is far smarter than defending your ego. If a fight cannot be avoided strike hard, strike fast, and then get the fuck out. Don’t give anyone the ability to identify you. Don’t go to your car and let them get your license plate #. Getting sucked into the criminal injustice system is a total waste of your time and the costs involved can really hurt your wallet. People take pleas everyday for shit they could win in front of a jury, however they cannot afford to pay for good attorneys.

    So if you need to kick ass be smart, be fast, and then get the fuck out of Dodge before the cops show up.

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    1. Bingo…

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    2. +1
      No need to sit around after the fact trying to bask in some glory. GTFO

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  8. That’s a funny story, anyhow, here’s another idea, say you just bought a hot coffee at dunkin donuts or tim horton or where ever, and then someone jumps you, dump the scalding hot coffee on their face, or ice water from a nalgene, figure it would give you few seconds to run away or kick the contact in the balls eh?

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    1. Actually I was going to suggest the same thing. I think it was Caleb Giddings from Top Shot got into a situation like that where his starbucks cup o’ joe allowed him to get the advantage in a potential mugging…

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      1. Sorry for beatin you to the punch, anywho, high powered tac-lights can help as well

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        1. I’m pretty sure it was the movie Kingpin.

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      2. my dad did that, walks out of timmies steaming hot XL coffee guy pulls a pocket knife and demands his wallet (mid day in the middle of toronto) dad just whipped the coffee in his face and watched the guy tear off screaming….improvisation goes a long way.

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  9. Applebee’s sucks ass, and so do most of those other gay chains. The bar sections are often filled with douchebags (I mean seriously, stop hanging out at Applebee’s/Friday’s/Ruby Tuesday, etc. bars, they’re the epitome of lame). I’ve seen and heard of many more problems at those stupid ass places than at any of the independent bars in the city that I frequent.

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  10. Considering that allot of the clientele at Applebee’s are working-class folks like myself, I find it ironic that the guys who sit around a bar and complain about how “Big Business” and Outsourcing to China is killing the American working man do it at the bar in Applebee’s (a international owned mega-corporation whose restaurants are 100% filled with stuff made in China, outsources accounting to India and is one of the reasons why the classic American Mom and Pop restaurants is a thing of the past)

    Just a thought

    ~James G

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    1. Spot on.

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    2. So very true…

      And that type of irony doesn’t stop there. But that’s a discussion for another time and place

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  11. That’s an epic fighting move if I ever saw (“heard of”) one. The kick to the nuts remain my all-time favorite, though. Other favorites of mine are kicks to the knee, hammerfists to the ears, and punches to the throat.

    Not that I’ve exactly practiced any of them in reality outside Krav Maga class in the Navy, (well, I did accidentally hammerpunch one of my friends on the ears, but that’s another story…) but, hey, I figure as long as I won’t have to, I’m good.

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  12. So, fights should be avoided whenever possible. Too much can go wrong, and some jackhole bumping into you in a crowd isn’t worth getting jammed up. But…

    Just like the kick to the nuts, a solid palm-heel strike under the chin can really ring someone’s bells (think of an upper cut motion that follows the person’s midline from belly button to underneath the chin). If it doesn’t knock him out cold, keep driving forward pressure like you’re trying to touch the back of his head to his tailbone. (and from here, your other hand or leg can enter the picture to change his vertical orientation)

    Works best in those pre-fight “barking” situations. You know the kind: some DB is puffing his chest out, mean-mugging and trying to stare you down, and running his mouth about how he’s gonna beat your ass, etc. (of course, all he’s really doing in running his mouth). If you can time the strike to when his mouth is open, all the better.

    Most fights start with that hard overhand right. Few people expect a quick strike from below eye level.

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  13. Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.. Some wise guy said.

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  14. Hey guys – my week has sucked like a Hoover and I came down with strep to top it off; THIS article brought me the first smile and belly laugh I have had in a while! The comments are as priceless as the main article.

    I agree that in most of the street fights I’ve seen, the local cops just arrest whoever is the easiest to arrest… instead of hassling with the 300 pond tattooed meth freak biker that you knocked down with a brick, and risking a scuffle, they’ll just grab the polite, neatly dressed guy and make HIM the target.

    Less work. So I agree, again, strike fast – palm top chin, or elbow across jaw, knee to groin or side kick into knee, and discreetly fade away. One more reason for perfecting the ‘grey man’ persona.

    And there is a lot of wisdom in the advice above, about trying to just avoid places where DBs hang out. Even if you are totally in the right, is it worth a couple of nights in a hellhole jail cell, and taking off work to appear in court, etc., just to show you were the Good Guy?

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  15. Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.. Some wise guy said.  (Quote This Comment)

    You’ve obviously never sat on a jury. I hope you never have to place you and your families’ future in the hands of 12 people who probably don’t vote. My buddy said, “I should have gotten in the car and left.”

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  16. Back in the mid- 1990’s I did some seminars in a classical martial arts school in the southeast. The local host loved the diverse, modern material I showed and always contacted the schools in his parent organization coaxing them to attend. Finally after the fourth visit, his “head guy” committed to attend and the local host told me the morning before the seminar,

    “Hock, the head guy Joe __________ is coming this weekend. He owns a whole string of these schools all over the southeast and if you impress him, he will start having you in to teach these chains.”

    “Good.” I said.

    “Well, he wants to see how good you are.” The host said.

    “Yeah.” I nodded my head. Such a review was obvious.

    “I mean,” the host continued,” He wants to see how good you are. In like…he wants to spar with you. If you spar real well, he will probably start having you in.”

    “Spar? Well…ok. I can do that.” I shrugged my shoulders. I had been sparring since the early 1970’s, and adequate at it, but certainly no champion. Sparring is hardly a reflection on “how good” my hand, stick, knife, gun combat reality, survival courses are. And, I had purposely spent years weaning myself away from the sport, tennis-match, give-and-take, back-and-forth, “sportee-ness” of kickboxing/sparring to end fights more realistically and quickly. Apples and oranges. This school, this chain, like so manyof the karate and tae kwon do schools today had developed simply into kickboxing and kata academies.

    The head guy arrived and was just a super guy. We talked for a bit and then he said to the local host,
    “Did you tell him?”
    “Yeah,” said the host.
    “Good!” the head guy said and turned to me with a friendly smile, “Well, get your stuff.” And he proceeded to the wall where his bag of gear rested. He zipped it open and started in applying shin guards. Next, out came his boxing gloves and mouthpiece. (By the way, this whole thing was no big Hollywood-like, fight challenge, but very casual and friendly, like old workout buddies going to do some sparring.)

    I walked to the other wall. In martial arts schools all over the world one thing you always see is the white or green, cheap, plastic chair. For fifty bucks you can buy about 15 of them and seat a whole group of parents. I grabbed the chair and started back to the middle of the mat holding it like a lion tamer.

    Still on one knee the head guy looked over at me quizzically.

    “This,” I explained, “is my ‘stuff.’ My gear. When a fight starts I grab the first good weapon I can and fight with it. If I loose the chair, then I am down to hand-to-hand fighting, unless I can get a hold of something else. This is what and how I teach.”

    The guy grinned, shook his head and immediately took off his gear off and stuffed it back in the bag. I was prepared to dance around a bit with him after I made this point about the chair. No big deal. But instead, he zipped up his loaded bag. The event attendees showed up and we started the seminar. The head guy had a great time and we got along marvelously for two solid days. At the end he shook my hand and said he learned a lot. But, I was never invited back to this school, or any others in the chain again.

    Perhaps the message of the chair was shocking? Too much? I don’t know.

    Hock

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    1. My first thought is that you came off as someone who values Rex Kwon Do style “Gotcha” moments over fundamentals of movement and solid prefight and target hardening habits. Now this may not be true at all but if all you’ve got to go on is an expressed low opinion of resistant training plus an incident where the guy skipped actual live movement to basically say “I have chair, your argument is invalid”, then that guy is probably going to get filed among the people who talk a lot about how different real fighting is from sport but can’t actually move live.
      I mean sure, you can pick up a weapon and it can decide the fight, and that should be highlighted, but fundamentals and live training are the way to real improvement. The way you walk around day to day is what decides whether you get a chance to pick up a chair before that guy working his way up shivs you and takes your wallet, and how much time you’ve actually spent moving against someone trying to shiv you decides how likely you are to make it through once it’s on. I haven’t seen you move or been to one of your seminars, so for all I know you could be anything from Barney Fife to some career Spetsnaz ninja. I’m just making my observation on that incident as you’ve posted it.

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  17. I’ve been that F’n door guy more than once over the years. Leaving marks by using strikes did end that fight quick but responding officer don’t want to use the wisdom of solomon like they use to or they just don’t have it. I ALLEGEDLY have poked said douchebag drunk in the eye and it worked very well. Things Responding Officers like 1)no marks 2) that your don’t interrupt them or the subject they are interviewing.3)stay out of their way. 4) a lil f’n respect they do have the ability ruin your nite. And your statement remember less is more.

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  18. Another good article J.G. The link below to an article about legal representation is also worth review.

    http://www.deathvalleymag.com/2010/06/22/urban-survival-lethal-force-wile-defending-yourself-and-your-family-%e2%80%93-how-i-c-my-a/#more-4357

    IMO too many people focus on a three thosand rifle but not on to get out of a jam or cover your ass once you get jammed up…

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  19. First thing-See to your own hide.Second thing:Always find a WAY to HIDE during/after.I have NEVER been afraid to vocalise with the old “NO!PLEASE don’t hurt me!”even while bringing things to a decisive end-think of it as “advance witness/jury tampering if you cannot E and E for some reason.

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  20. A good friend of mine who trains as a boxer but does not compete was confronted by a loud mouthed 46 year old drunk Douche Bag inside a club.He wisely decided to leave the bar when the guy would not back off.When they got outside DB and my friend had another confrontation where the 46 yr. old DB started calling them fags (they were with their GF’s) and threw the first punch which missed it’s mark.My friend responded with a two punch combination knocking his opponent to the ground.He followed him down to make sure he was done and did not hit the guy while he was down.
    The results?The police arrived arrested the younger (24 yr. old ) “thug” and carted Mr.DB off to the hospital where he stayed for 4-5 hours.My friend just got out of prison after taking a plea.He was charged with Felony Assault/Att.Murder.He was facing 8-15 yrs. if convicted.He served 13 months of 24 and was only released after several pleas to the judge who sentenced him.My friend was honorably discharged from the Air Force and had no previous arrests for ANYTHING.
    The good old days of a good ol’ bar fight are long dead.Our society allows the loser to file criminal charges and to file law suits for damages to save his damaged ego.Don’t put your life in the hands of our judicial system over a slight in a bar or a dame.The John Wayne days are gone I am sad to say.The lawyers run the world now.
      

    Note to self: Never stick around for the cops to show up

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  21. Long story short: One of the worst fights I was ever in, ended because I was the guy with the rock.

    I was attacked in a public park by about 7 or 8 guys following a martial arts class. I’d stayed behind to work on some solo stuff. Late at night, poor lighting, relatively isolated. All the hallmarks of a news report along the lines of “unidentified body found/attackers unknown.”

    They started by surrounding me with the lead dog mouthing off. I had a couple of rocks on the ground in front of me from the work I had been doing. I didn’t wait. I grabbed the first one off the ground and threw it into the lead guy’s face. He went down. I then smacked the nearest guy to me in the face with another rock and was turning on a third guy when the rest broke and ran.

    I sprinted to my car and drove the hell out of there as fast as I could.

    The pile of rocks probably saved my life.

    The funny part was that when I went back to the park in the morning, I know not smart, the my gear bag was right where I left it.

    Cheers,

    Peacedog

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  22. Still a good read….BTW,althougj the last several months have been “interesting,iI believe things are changing for the better.
    Back on topic-three months ago I was unlucky enough to ne confronted by 24 year old douchebag(I am a short,skinny 46 year old)…I also (among other things)have boxed,along with a wide range of experience.He tried a sucker punch as I was leaving(I was not drunk,but did have a glass in my hand)…I slipped the punch,and my tequila went into his eyes,followed by an straight right to the ribs.he went over the rail,I went out the door….and my friend at the bar described me to the LEOs as”a big,tall light skinned blond(not only am I short-i am dark).Thank God for good friends.

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  23. The results?

    The police arrived arrested the younger (24 yr. old ) “thug” and carted Mr.DB off to the hospital where he stayed for 4-5 hours.My friend just got out of prison after taking a plea.He was charged with Felony Assault/Att.Murder.He was facing 8-15 yrs. if convicted.He served 13 months of 24 and was only released after several pleas to the judge who sentenced him.My friend was honorably discharged from the Air Force and had no previous arrests for ANYTHING.

    The good old days of a good ol’ bar fight are long dead.Our society allows the loser to file criminal charges and to file law suits for damages to save his damaged ego.Don’t put your life in the hands of our judicial system over a slight in a bar or a dame.The John Wayne days are gone I am sad to say.The lawyers run the world now.
      

    See that? I’m a martial arts expert and have special skills with the knives and sticks (an FMA guy) and I teach self-defense and have cred in my community with it. Guess what…I can’t use any of the shit that I teach in my community because of this very reason. Seriously. I’ve walked away from many altercations that I deliberately de-escalated (“calm down buddy”…”i apologize”…”i’m sorry”…etc…) because of my fear of going to jail. Never had any serious jail time (nuff said) but fuck me if I ever want to go back. Though, sometimes I would just love to slice the guy wide open like a fish…can’t do it because I have too much to lose by going to jail for some stupid road rage or bar fight incident.

    Ironically, the only thing I can teach people about handling real-life incidents (more irony: after they’ve PAID ME to teach them how to fuck over anyone that fucks with you) is to ‘walk away unhurt’ (hah! more money wasted cause you can’t use it) or after you beat the fucker up to RUN AWAY and NEVER, EVER GO BACK TO WHERE YOU FUCKED THE GUY UP. This…they don’t teach in a dojo. Got that from ghetto-wise kids who seen shit back inna day and know that it’s simply unwise to hang around by the body and have to explain to cops (who hate you anyway) about what just happened.

    Sorry to hear about your friend, mate. Sometimes very bad things happen to good people.

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