SAR GLOBAL TOOL: the DVM U.S. Contractor Survival Knife Build – Complete Build – Day 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 – 6

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This knife just screams “stab someone”

Hey folks – I have been working with Spencer over at SAR Global Tool to make a DVM Contractor Fighting Knife. Below is his work in progress and some notes from him.

~James G

[Spencer from SAR Global Tool] Hey everyone,

I have been working with James for the last few months on a knife for him and possibly become for sale in the DVM store. James gave me some great input on what he was looking for.

Based on what his ideas I put this design to paper. James liked what he saw so I put the design to steel and got rolling, I will take pictures, write comments as I work on these three blades over the next few days.

The design is a fixed blade which is 9 1/4″ long 5″ handle 4 1/4″ blade, the blade features a modified tip sometimes referred as “harpoon”

I transfer the drawing to “lexan glass” to make a solid pattern, lexan is awesome stuff it holds drill tolerance, machines great, shapes great, tough and fairly cheap.

Now I can transfer to the steel which for these proto’s will be S30V
Now the suck part is band sawing steel, but hey it gets the job done!
Have to make sure things are flat and straight, using my 1/2 ton press gets things all good
Rough out and ready for profile on the horizontal grinder
The profiles are shaped to the lines and knives are ready for drilling. First hole is just a tad under the finish size.
Then I come back through with a precision reamer and make it pretty much dead nuts on.
With a 1/8″ ball mill I put in the thumb serrations.
It’s always a good idea when doing prototypes to make more than one in case “Murphy” decides to show up. I made three with the third one sporting a extended blade. Got a lot done and a ways to go, I will pick up tomorrow and get them ready for heat treat.

First prototype before the heat treat

**** UPDATED – DAY 2 ****

The mercury dropped last night but I was stoked to get started with the goal of getting the knives detailed and heat treated with at least one temper cycle done. I did some video today which is a first time ever in a wip thread, it takes time to set up, host it etc etc, if it seems a bit rough well it’s on the go off a tri-pod so suck it up…not looking for any Oscar’s just a desire to show you some of the work in real time.

First off is marking the bevels.

I paint the edges with dykem layout fluid, with a 1″ micrometer I get the exact thickness of the steel. In this case its .156″ divide that number by 2 and subtract 10= 68. I dial the height gauge to that exact number and lay the knives flat on the precision granite surface plate. I then slide the carbide scribe along the edges which mark to parallel lines exactly .030 they will be my guide to keeping things straight.

Perfect lines to grind to

I normally do not grind anything except the let in bevels, but today to make things a tad easier I did some of the grinding before heat treat to see how it was gonna work out for starters.

With a 60 grit belt I did the top edge first and finished with around a 120 grit, finding the right angle is kinda hard. You don’t want that top edge to come out to thin just thin enough to take a nice sharp edge.

Top edge video:

I pretty much do the same on the main bevels…called “roughing in”, just want to establish the grind height and remove some material before the knifes are hardened. The steel is soft, sluggish and grabbing, that will change when they get hard and become much easier to finish…

Main bevel grind video:

Still lots of details to finish before heat treat
Grinding in the pry tool with a 4″ wheel
Hand cut the nail nick
Then re-grind with a 120 to clean it all up
Using a “scotch brite” belt I clean and smooth all the bevels at this point they are ready for heat treat.

I drilled a few larger holes just to get the balance a bit better.
In the right hand when using the pry-tool the main bevel will be facing away from you.

Now that all the drill, mill and file work is done I can prep the blades for the oven. Because of the high temperatures required for HT its must that you wrap the blades in High temperature stainless tool wrap to prevent decarburization the goal is a oxygen free packet.

The wrap is deadly thin razor sharp .002 in thickness.

Foil wrapping a blade…taste just like chicken..lol:

After the HT cycle in the oven the blades are quickly removed to air quench on 1″x12″x24″ aluminum plates that I store in the freezer. The goal is to suck all the heat off the blades in a very rapid manner.

I also put a 50 pound anvil on the plates to get things flat and true, and a large fan blowing forced air between the plates…..so a blade removed from the oven at 1950 degrees will cool in this manner to touch in around 60 to 80 sec.

Heat treat video:

After the blade cools I remove them from the foil and do a quick check for straightness, at this stage I can do a little tweaking but not much the blades are very hard, lots of stress is built up and then will break very easily. These blades are all good to go.

Before temper I use a Ames hardness tester to measure the hardness Rockwell scale C the ht treat was perfect and the numbers are good 62 HRc after temper they will loose the stress and come down about 2-3 points leaving us at HRc 59-60 which is ideal for S30V.

They went right to temper first cycle is done and I will get back to it tomorrow.

If you have any comments or suggestions please make a comment, this is a DVM Community designs so let us know what features you would like in a knife.

***DAY 3***

It was a kick ass nice day here is the shop, can’t beat t-shirt weather in November. Not to mention good tunes to pass the day…life is good.

I left off yesterday after the initial temper cycle, got up this morning and put the knives back in for the final temper stage which is 2 hours @ 600 degree’s. I re-checked the “Rockwell” and was pleased with the numbers, all three knives tested at 59-60 so we are GTG and ready to start finishing the grinds.

Letting them cool down and getting the grinder ready to roll.

I use dykem on the bevels as a indicator of two things to ensure I am hitting the full bevel and when I move up in grits like 60 to 120 it tells me when I have removed the deeper scratches from the 60 grit.

Nothing sucks more than when you think you have a good even finish and low and behold there a rogue deep ass 60 grit scratch in the middle of the bevel. The only way to fix that shit is to drop back down and start over again.

Main bevel grinding Video:

Things grind better when the steel is hard it got less give, kinda like the difference between driving a Yugo vs a ferrari its got better response to the wheel etc.

The knives at a 120 grit finish…things are starting to take shape the bevels are full and mostly straight.

Because of the top edge I had to go back and forth from top edge to main bevels, took some time its a matter of bringing the 2 grind lines together at the right point with out removing to much.

Top edge finish grinding video:

With the final adjustments to all the bevels with a fine grit belt, I go to the scotch brite belt which applies a real nice satin finish and does some minor blending.

I did a compound grind on one of the blades the top and tip are flat grinds and the main bevel is a 10″ hollow……dead sexy and extremely strong tip!

At this stage of the game I can breathe a bit easier the chances of screwing the pooch are pretty slim….knock on wood.

Next thing is to get ready for handles, I used female standoffs which are pre-threaded inserts for a 4/40 torx head screw that get hammered into the pre drilled holes.

I grind off the excess, then with a set of “transfer punches” I clamp the blades down to the handle material, transfer the center of each screw hole to the material for drilling and then scribe a line for the band-saw.
Looks like this
The handle material I selected is textured Ranger Green G10, Green Canvas Micarta, and Grey G10. I will be doing some cool stuff with the micarta and grey to spice up the cool factor and provide some palm swell as well

Good place to stop, tomorrow I will get started drilling, shaping, contouring all the rough edges but I doubt I will be mission complete until monday. Still have another critical thing to think about…the sheath one will be in kydex, one will be in a spec-ops and I may crank out a leather covered kydex drop leg for the big blade…..that fucker is feeling good…and deserves it.

I did get side tracked today watching one of my favorite movies

“And I want my 100 Natzi scalps”

***DAY 4***

I had a email this morning from someone watching the work in progress asking to show more of the shop. I should have done this in the beginning, but I did not think it would evolve as well as it has. Another killer day nice weather, good tunes etc.

SAR Global Tool shop tour video:

We left off with the handle cut out so first things first was to get them drilled and counter-bored for the 4/40 screws

I cut all the screws to length then fit the handles and get ready to rough out on the horizontal grinder. I did a quick video of that action.

Handle shaping:

Roughed out

After the initial shaping they get the lanyard hole drilled out then I remove them and shape the front and back. Because of the pry tool, I have to recess the handle material some so you can work the pry-bar. Need to look at that a bit closer and see if there is a better way to do or just extend the handle a bit more?

After the initial shaping they get the lanyard hole drilled out then I remove them and shape the front and back. Because of the pry tool, I have to recess the handle material some so you can work the pry-bar. Need to look at that a bit closer and see if there is a better way to do or just extend the handle a bit more?

Gluing up

I need to let them set up over night, tomorrow should be the home stretch, I should be able to get them at least finished out and ready for sheaths.

Having fun with camera

*** DAY 5 ***

All right day is over it was another killer day in the shop. I met my goal of getting all the knives done to about 99.9 %. Tomorrow I will put on the final edge and take pictures.

I ordered stencils for the DVM logo but they will not be in until next week, kinda sucks but hey we got to move forward.

This morning was all about handle shaping, texturing, and working all the rough edges off the blades to prepare them for a tumble/stone-wash finish.

With everything dress right dress I start by fitting all the handles up.
Next up is final grind to fit and finish, then I radius and texture on the small wheel.

Once I have the final fit for the blades all the areas that the handles do not touch minus the primary and secondary edge get smoothed over and radius-ed.

Edge finish video…..great song BTW:

The blades and handles go into the bead blaster which shoots 70 grit aluminum oxide at around 80 pounds PSI, it smooths everything out and cleans the material.
Handles come out like this
and blades like that

Next the knives go into my tumbler for a stone-wash finish.

Video on tumble operations:

After tumbling the handles and blades get washed down with wd-40 and cleaned up real good. Next video is how I apply my “Makers mark” which goes on the left hand side of the knife. When the DVM stencils come in I will mark the right side of the blade…:

I did kydex for all three blades but will have to go on post ( Ft Polk ) and pick up some “Spec-Ops” brand sheaths to see how that will work out.

After press forming all the sheaths the get drilled, cut, final shape and riveted.

Here is a quick shot of the three blades, they now have a photo shoot date tomorrow which works out well the early morning light is the best for getting great shots.

Here is a quick shot of the three blades, they now have a photo shoot date tomorrow which works out well the early morning light is the best for getting great shots.

The U.S. CONTRACTOR SURVIVAL KNIFE – hand made by Spencer Alan Reiter, SAR Global Tool

Thanks for all the great comments, I hope this thread served its purpose in showing the amount of time, attention to detail and time required to build a handful of prototype custom knives. This project is far from over, we have to have a set of CAD/CAM drawings done, shop for a production facility, material consideration, etc etc.

James I would like to thank you, allowing me to build a cool knife for a great place and most of all your patience in waiting for me to clear my bench enough to get after this project.

*** DAY 6 – DONE! ***

First off this was a cool project, it motivated me to do the best work in progress to date. It made the project much longer, but it helps other makers, collectors and people that have not the first idea about what goes into making things by hand with the aid of simple machines.

James has approached me to do a limited run of custom blades for those that would be interested. So give us some time to figure it all out, and something will be posted by James when the conditions are set for success.

For this work in progress:

- 118 photos taken 90 edited and used
- 13 videos approx. 25 minutes total.
- 5 days in the shop 6th day final final finish and photos

I will leave the hours spent out…lol

The photo with the DVM logo has been computer applied just FYI, I do not have the stencils for DVM on hand yet.

U.S. Contractor Survival Knives

All knives are made in S30V HRc 59-60 .155 thick, all have a primary and secondary edge, handles are G10, micarta, or a combo. All sport a custom kydex sheath with multiple option for fixing to gear, belt and leg etc.

U.S. Contractor Survival Knife – Model 1
. 155×9 1/4″ OAL with a 4 /14′ primary edge and 1 3/4 secondary edge
- Ranger green peel ply texture handles
- 4/40 torxs fasteners.
- 3/4″ wide pry tool on back end.
- 6.4 oz and 9.4 oz with sheath and all hardware

Video of knife and sheath action:

U.S. Contractor Survival Knife – Model 2
- Handle is a bit taller with a rounded thumb ramp
. 155×9 1/4″ OAL with a 4 /14′ primary edge and 1 3/4 secondary edge
- Grey G/10 with ranger green palm swell, aggressive random texture pattern.
- 4/40 torxs fasteners.
- 3/4″ wide pry tool on back end.
- 6.9 oz and 9.7 oz with sheath and all MOLLE hardware

U.S. Contractor Survival Knife – Model 3
- I wanted too see what this would look like with a slightly longer blade, I fucking like what I see.
. 155X10 3/4″ OAL with a primary edge of 5.5″ with a secondary of 1 3/4″
- Green Canvas micarta with carbon fiber palm swell, aggressive random texture pattern.
- 4/40 torxs fasteners.
- 3/4″ wide pry tool on back end.
- 7.1 oz and 14.8 oz with sheath and all rigging, sheath is removable from drop leg rig for regular carry.

Another sheath video:

Group love shots and details…lol

Thanks for the comments and for following this wip I hope it was interesting! Look forward to writing some articles on edged/survival tools for DVM in the near future.

~Spencer Alan Reiter, SAR Global Tool
DVM Resident Knife Pimp

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1 James G November 19, 2010 at 02:58

Man this knife is going to be so pimp

And you cant tell from the picture but the end Is going to be a pry-bar

~James G

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2 Connor November 19, 2010 at 03:05

Looks great man. What kind of cost are we looking at?

The end being a pry-bar is pretty cool, just don’t know if I’d use it for any serious prying given that the other end is an edge…

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3 James G November 19, 2010 at 03:19

We will decide how we want to produce these after we figure the final design – it will depend on where and how they are manufactured

~James G

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4 Chad November 19, 2010 at 03:47

You could always do two versions like Danner does with their boots.

A high end US produced one, then another mass produced Asian version.

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5 Chad November 19, 2010 at 03:10

I’m probably going to have to get one of these. I love the blade shape, and I’d be a willing Beta tester!

Only things I’d reccomend is to make it a partially serrated blade, and if the sheath is going to be molle/pals style, design it where it can be mounted vertically or horizontally.

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6 James G November 19, 2010 at 03:17

The reason why it won’t have a serrated blade is because they are too much of a bitch to sharpen in the field

The Sheath will be MOLLE – Not sure about horizontal carry yet, we ill see if we can do it without costing extra

~James G

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7 Chad November 19, 2010 at 03:49

Totally understand about the serrations. I’m still a big fan, but I see your point.

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8 Dave November 19, 2010 at 03:33

SAR – Very interesting to watch the prototyping process, thanx. I’ve always wanted to make knives, there’s something very primal about it. Keep up the great work!

One question, why the “harpoon” tip? Is there some advantage to this type over, say, a Tanto tip? Just wondering. I’ve heard that the Tanto style is the strongest tip for a knife. Is this true? The top of the harpoon tip seems like a weak point and more difficult to make, but, I’m no knife maker.

What about the S30V steel, is that the best choice? In my experience it can be really hard to sharpen in the field. I usually send my S30V knives out to be professionally sharpened. Just some more food for thought.

What type of sheath will be offered? It would be cool if several different types were made/offered. For example; a survival sheath with a spot for a sharpener and maybe a few survival items, a boot sheath, a belt/combat rig sheath, you get the idea.

Can’t wait to see this knife, maybe in time for Christmas?????

Take care,

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9 Lo Szabo November 19, 2010 at 04:09

SAR and DVM? Very, very cool!

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10 M4gnetic November 19, 2010 at 05:15

Looking very nice there fella’s, I’d definately like to go and take this blade out for a little field testing :)

P.S. That’s a mighty fine beard you got going on there :p

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11 jellydonut November 19, 2010 at 05:41

Looks pretty awesome. Might buy one.. Even if I don’t need it.. :p

Hey, if you ever make a friction folder or something – make sure it has a flipper! Too few flipper folders out there.

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12 James G November 19, 2010 at 06:02

Roger that on the flippers – that is one of the reasons why I like CRKT folders so much

~James G

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13 Norm November 19, 2010 at 07:48

Man this knife is going to be so pimpAnd you cant tell from the picture but the end Is going to be a pry-bar
~James G  

I thought that looked like a pry bar on the drawing of it. With the split looking drawing on the end I thought it had a wire stripper on it.

This definitely looks great, going to have to pick up at LEAST one of them for myself and a second one for a bud that’s into knives.

What kind of handle are we looking at? paracord, leather, wood, polymer, rubber?

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14 James G November 19, 2010 at 08:06

DVM OD Green G-10 I believe

~James G

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15 Spencer Alan Reiter November 19, 2010 at 08:42

Connor:

The pry bar is definitely not for “storm drains” just some light work, and it can and will work for stripping wire, cleaning your fingernails, smashing someones teeth in…lol.

Chad:

Yes two versions will be made the high end custom, and a good quality production version, working those details now.

Serrations are great until they get dull and yes they will get dull, they become a safety hazard at that point for a few reasons. You cut with them after they get dull but have to exert to much force, they are a pain in the ass to sharpen “properly” and last but not least I do not do them here in the shop and never will.

Dave:

Thanks for the comment and its a pleasure and a honor to show you guys what goes on in the making a knife. When I really go primitive I wear just a little kitten skin loin clothe…lol

Harpoon tip will be ground in such a way to retain as much strength as possible, it will be no weaker than any other tip you would find on other designs.

I had about ten choices for steel, and decided to use the S30V, The trick to keeping hard steel sharp is to never let them go dull in the first place. A few strokes from a small ceramic sharpening card, then a quick strop on some leather, or even your nylon belt will get the burrs straight. The common mistake on these super hard steels is folks wear them down to super dull…so just like keeping your M4 clean and operational one should apply the same level of care to there chosen knife

Sheath:

Production sheath may be a spec ops brand, or kydex from someone, for these knives I will be building kydex which will mount both vertical, horizontal and rig to MOLLE. I can provide rigging that allows someone to put a few things on the sheath, compass, fire-starter, sharpening stone.

It will of course sport the DVM logo just like the patches James just made.

Norm:

The handles for these will be G10, or some canvas micarta, screwed in place and removable if someone want to do a cord wrap they could.

Okay into the shop for round 2
SAR

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16 DaveC November 19, 2010 at 09:09

It is absolutely fascinating to see the prototype process. I never knew that I would like it this much. The harpoon tip looks pretty nasty, I like it. I would vote for a micarta handle, I am really loving the handle on my Chris Reeves 5.5″ GB.

The only thing I don’t like is the relatively low rise for the thumb.

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17 Norm November 19, 2010 at 09:19

two versions will be made the high end custom, and a good quality production version

I’ll definitely be picking at least one of each up.

When I really go primitive I wear just a little kitten skin loin clothe…lol

THANK GOD for not showing us THAT part… :)

The handles for these will be G10, or some canvas micarta, screwed in place and removable if someone want to do a cord wrap they could.

From what I understand, outside of steel, those are probably two of the best handle materials out there. Can’t wait to get my hands on one.

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18 Kenny November 19, 2010 at 09:38

Definitely gonna jump on one of these when they become available.

Price range and ordering info?

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19 James G November 19, 2010 at 10:11

Check out Spencer’s post above for that info bro

~James G

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20 Spencer Alan Reiter November 19, 2010 at 09:42

Hey James FBIC ( felonious Basterd in charge ) said the next person that mentions serrations, he is gonna start kicking the shit out of some kittens….lol.

Norm…piss me off and my kitten skin loin clothe is coming out, one look and you will end up in the psyche ward for sure

Anyways lets see how these blades start to take a little shape today, the grinder always seems to change some of the aspects. I will get some video of the initial grinding as well…

SAR

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21 Chad November 19, 2010 at 15:54

Great. Now my next check is going to PITA since I’m the only one that mentioned those little sharp things on the edge of some blades.What do you call those?

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22 Andy November 19, 2010 at 10:50

Cool project can’t wait to see the end result.

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23 Ryan November 19, 2010 at 11:07

Fan-freaking-tastic. I love the look so far, can’t wait to see how this turns out!

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24 TA November 19, 2010 at 11:32

What brand/model watch is Spencer wearing? In the market for a good one to wear in the field.

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25 Willie Pete November 19, 2010 at 19:54

TA – I don’t presume to answer for Spencer but the watches in the pix look a lot like some of the ones over at County Comm; there is a link to them from this site and they have some awesome gear and good prices.

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26 Cankicker01 November 19, 2010 at 13:43

I like s30v, and DVM. So yea I want it

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27 Eugene November 19, 2010 at 13:56

Looks nice. I like the style of the nice and G10 handles are great. I do wonder though, since James is such a big fan…. Will this be coming in multicam?

Also, +1 on the no serrations. They are a bitch to sharpen in the field.

Can’t wait to see the finished project.

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28 Richard November 19, 2010 at 15:07

Looks good! I would buy it!

what kind of lock are you looking at? I would recommend not going for a liner lock.. frame lock is okay, but I wonder how hard it would be to get licensing rights to use the Triad lock by Andrew Demko.

that prybar at the butt of the knife is genius. What type of clip orientation would it be?

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29 James G November 19, 2010 at 15:23

It is a fixed blade Richard

The prybar is my favorite part

~James G

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30 Richard November 19, 2010 at 18:49

Ahhhhh gotcha.. Now here I was wondering why you guys were making a solid piece model for it.

How about a folder version after you make millions off of this knife?

BTW what part of Virginia are you from? I’m currently living in Charlottesville

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31 James G November 20, 2010 at 01:26

A folder would be cool, maybe after the fixed is all done – prob next year

I grew up near you – been to c-ville many times, in the northern part now. May move to the Beach

~James G

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32 Justin W November 19, 2010 at 15:08

Have to agree on the S30V. I love that steel, but I’ve given up on sharpening one of my Benchmade knives (Mini Skirmish). It too is S30V and a royal pain in the ass to sharpen. I have to say though, in its defense, this is partially due to the fact that I let it get as dull as it is before even considering sharpening it. High maintenance edge if you consider light honing after use to be “high maintenance” . Other than that, i’ve been VERY VERY VERY happy with that blade. Cant wait for these babys to g0 on sale.

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33 Chad November 19, 2010 at 16:15

Since you didn’t appreciate the $@^^@&*0&! suggestion, I’ve come up with another.

While “Contractor Fighting Knife” is wicked, to fit in with the spirit here, what do you think about the name “Fighting/ Urban Contractor Knife” ?

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34 James G November 20, 2010 at 01:29

The name is just off the top of my head – but anyone can do some stabbing with it regardless of the name – lol

I just chose “Contractor” because that is why me and my bro are Contractors, I am not very creative

~James G

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35 Bizzy B November 19, 2010 at 16:36

You had me at prybar. That blade looks nice bro,very original great minds at work here fellas. I kinda like that thicker looking protype. And as far as names for me who cares as long as its quality steel and a useful design thats what’s gonna count the most in the end.

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36 David West November 19, 2010 at 16:47

James, that flat rocks. I’m extremely interested. Ordered I honestly don’t know how many custom knives in the past year and have yet to see even one of them delivered to me. And that leaves me with a folder, a pocket knife and a Bowie. I would use a 4+” fixed blade every day up here.
S30V is good stuff, finally got a DMT diamond hone and it will put an edge on them. Agreed on serrations, they suck after a year. Your knife would be on my belt every day, all day.

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37 James G November 20, 2010 at 01:33

Once we get a final proto done we will have an exact delivery date for the folks who want to order one of the high-end custom ones

I hate when you order something and they tell you “you get it when it is ready” – I won’t do that here

~James G

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38 Ducky November 19, 2010 at 18:06

Hey James, uhm, one thing I would do is double serrations, one for the thumb which you see done there, and one where the index finger would ideally rest, just saying this because of the lack of a quillion or finger gaurd, just saying man, but this looks like it will be a fucking sweet knife

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39 Jason O November 19, 2010 at 18:12

Looks great! I am really hoping that longer version on the top of that picture gets made. That bad boy just looks wicked.

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40 James G November 20, 2010 at 01:39

Yep – I love big blades and big bullets – I originally wanted a 7 inch blade for this but that would have been a beast and not really practical

I wanted it to be a size that could be mounted on chest rig shoulder strap [like I do], carried on an armor carrier, on the belt in the wilderness and even concealed without getting in your way – that’s why we went with the four and a quarter length

~James G

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41 Justin F November 19, 2010 at 18:37

James and Spencer, this knife looks great! What kind of sheath option are you looking at, Kydex? If it’s nice and low-profile, with proper grommets for lashing it down to gear or using tek-loks it will be mega pimp. I would have gone for a part serrated blade and slightly longer (5.5″) but hey, I’m too picky.

Ducky made a good comment about the thumb serrations. It would also be useful for the index finger and at the back of the blade where the heel of your palm will rest. Doesn’t have to be deep but good for traction.

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42 James G November 20, 2010 at 01:22

Yep, Kidex

~James G

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43 Richard November 19, 2010 at 18:53

Yeah, S30V is overated in my opinion. On all of my S30V knives, it takes too toothy of an edge. CPM154 is the way to go IMO.

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44 Bizzy B November 19, 2010 at 23:38

1st vote for the name ”DVM Stabbing Knife” I can see it now James and Bubba hocking these fine blades to the masses on QVC..LOL

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45 James G. November 20, 2010 at 00:31

I added Day 2 of the build above – includes some cool video

~James H

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46 Bizzy B November 20, 2010 at 01:17

Thanks for the video. This is great to be able to see how its made,makes you really appreciate it alot more.

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47 James G November 20, 2010 at 01:21

Man those bad-boys are THICK

~James G

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48 Dave November 20, 2010 at 06:49

Wonderful! Its awsome to see “Behind the scenes” aswell!
Looking forward to the end result. Keep up the good work!

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49 Willy Pete November 20, 2010 at 09:31

This is already one of my favorite articles; the pictures and vid combined with the text, all awesome stuff. The concept, design and collaboration are perfect and it is SO rare to be able to see all of this come together from the first drafts on paper to the finished product!
Like others, I wondered about the harpoon edge. Is taht for a wider wound channel, or will the back edge have a different bevel and angle, for use in more mundane cutting?
All I can say is, when this thing goes to market, it will sell out. Everyone from collectors to operators will want one.
Will it be made in both lengths?
Keep it up! And again, sorry for thinking the County Comm link was from here, instead of MilSoec Monkey.

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50 James G November 20, 2010 at 10:24

No big deal about the link Bro – I just didn’t want people confused if they were looking for it.

Yep – it is cool to see the process of making this knife front start to finish. Knife making really is art

I will update this article everyday until the first prototypes are done.

~James G

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51 Spencer Alan Reiter November 20, 2010 at 11:15

I just spent the last hour typing only to lose it at posting time so here it goes again.

TA:

The watch I am wearing is a Seiko “Tuna Can” 7C46-7011 300 meter diver, its been discontinued why I don’t know because its a great hard use watch. I like Seiko’s had my first one right before I entered basic training and 24 years later I still have it, I recently had it serviced/restored. I once lost that watch in the ocean surfing in Hawaii only to find it 3 weeks to the day still keeping the correct time…I think I got my moneys worth. Its set aside for my son when he gets of age. I own several other Seiko’s as well….I am a watch whore!

I cannot address each design, likes or dislikes individually so I will try to touch on the ones that keep coming up. I long ago lost the desire to try and please everyone, it is just not going to happen. I like the phrase “it is what it is”. But keep them coming its good to have lots of feedback on things like this people are listening.

Steel:

Lots of choices out there all have advantages and dis-advantages, some rust, some don’t others take a smooth edge some don’t, some steels make great jack-hammer heads, but don’t hold a edge at all. For me personally it really does not matter what steel I am working in as long as I can get it heat treated properly as per the spec sheets that are put together. I use these spec sheets as a guideline and tailor it to my set up and whats going to work best for me and the intended user. Here is the spec sheet on S30V from Crucible http://faq.customtacticals.com/datasheets/s30v.pdf . The best answer I can give as to why I used S30V is because it was wide enough to support the design. I have worked the following steel and I too have my likes and dislikes 1095, 1084, w2, L-6, O-1, S7, 5160, 440c, 154 and cpm 154, S30V, 3V, D2 and cpm D2 and cpm M4. Until the next super steel is cooked up that can cut a car in half and still be shaving sharp we have to make choices from the above and know that they all have good points and bad points. You don’t go grizzly hunting with a 22 cal right so don’t try to chop a 2×4 with a Swiss army knife.

Concept, Prototyping and Production:

This whole process is very time consuming with lots of considerations to consider, I can tell you it always will boil down to $. Every detail from one file grove to sheath is once again based on a myriad of choices. Every detail is a different tooling set up, so James will have to make some hard decisions on what he/you want and what he/you needs and ultimately what can be afforded and what it can be sold. Quality is paramount, function trumps form or fashion. I will do my best based on my knowledge to help him make these choices to deliver the best product for his/your money. Just to give you some idea on how much something like this can cost it runs anywhere from $1000.00 to 20,000.00 for materials, time, drawings, prototype production run etc etc.

As you can see I have spent the last two days working on these three knives, I still have about 2 solid days left. Even though I have made a few three thousand knives each design is different such as these and there is still plenty of time to fuck these up..lol I am no expert knife-maker and learn new things everyday some good some bad, but the bottom line for me is if my name goes on the knife/tool or I have something to do with it I will put every bit of skill, knowledge and effort possible to put out the best product that I can.

At the least I hope this thread does its job to serve as a education on why things built by hand whatever it may be, cost a bit more than things you can purchase at wal-mart made in other countries.

As I type this response the knives have gone through the last temper stage which was 2 hours @600 degrees, we are ready to begin the finish grinding, handles etc.

So stay tuned
SAR

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52 Eugene November 20, 2010 at 11:32

Wow that is really coming along. I love the grind on it and am seriously loving the tip. Also thank you on the jimping, I can’t stand knives that use wimpy small jimping that might as well not be there.

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53 Grasshopper November 20, 2010 at 16:06

When does the soundtrack to the videos come out to download?

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54 Justin F November 21, 2010 at 03:34

Damn, the more I see the longer blade the more I like it.

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55 sbrdude1 November 21, 2010 at 06:47

Good hands dude. I’ve done a few blades, mostly re-profiling but it does take loads of skill so kudos. Looks like they’ll be some wicked slashers!!!

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56 Spencer Alan Reiter November 21, 2010 at 09:15

Thanks everyone for the comments….day four is on!

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57 JT November 21, 2010 at 13:59

Dang! That looks awesome, can not wait for the finished product.

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58 Reuben November 21, 2010 at 14:30

I can’t wait to see the final product. This thing looks fucking perfectly PIMP

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59 Connor November 21, 2010 at 20:53

Looking great! I’m getting really excited for the finished product. That blade shape is ridiculously awesome.

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60 Spencer Alan Reiter November 22, 2010 at 08:55

Anyone getting tired of this stuff? Ready for regular schedule programing…lol

Day 5 is on hope to be 90% done today!

SAR

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61 SqDb November 22, 2010 at 09:33

heck no man…love seeing a good craftsman at work. Found SAR right in time for Christmas…

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62 SqDb November 22, 2010 at 09:32

My vote is in: I like it. I love watching the process. I really don’t need another knife (James, your article on saving money has been burned into my brain) but I might have to grab on of these guys.

If I might cast an opinion on sheath system: something like the ESEE “Mil” series would be nice. A kydex “sleeve” that can be lashed, hooked with cord and carabiner, or Tec-locked to the belt for EDC…that can also be mounted to a Nylon/Leather sheath with a belt loop and MOLLE back that has room for mounting survival gear.

The bigger guy looks wicked, but my vote is for the smaller blade.

Maybe it’s just me, but at 3-3.5″, you’ve got a fixed blade that will work for EDC. When you start getting too much over 4″, that gets a little trickier, and it kind of transitions to “Camp/Field Knife” territory.

Most “fighting knives” seem to be in the 6+ range, which is practical for intended use, but then you hardly ever use the knife (and get the handling perfected) for anything else. Most folks I know who have “hard use” blades use knives with lengths of under 4.5″ or over 10-12″.

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63 Jason A November 22, 2010 at 09:53

You bastard! Now I’m going to have to spend more money on something I really don’t need.

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64 David C November 22, 2010 at 11:07

I will be ordering one please!

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65 Will November 22, 2010 at 13:51

Yes, Please!

I’ve never ordered a custom knife before, but seeing this one being made makes me want one.

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66 Mattlock November 22, 2010 at 18:24

James,

I hear ya on that. I kept my 5″ knife on my shoulder strap of my web gear. It stays out of the way, access is quick, smooth and nothing gets in the way when you need it and has somewhat of a cool factor. Or maybe I watched too much “Tour of duty” as a kid. Ha ha. Anyway, these things are awesome.

Thanks,

Matt

Yep – I love big blades and big bullets – I originally wanted a 7 inch blade for this but that would have been a beast and not really practicalI wanted it to be a size that could be mounted on chest rig shoulder strap [like I do], carried on an armor carrier, on the belt in the wilderness and even concealed without getting in your way – that’s why we went with the four and a quarter length
~James G  

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67 Slobyskya Rotchikokov November 23, 2010 at 19:53

Damn!!!! Followed this from start to finish and it is one awesome piece of work!!! Never seen a design like this, what a fine looking piece!
Guess I’m still ‘old school’, but I DO like the slightly longer blade / model 3.
Looks like a very useful, manageable size for everyday chores, yet that little extra bit might instill more confidence if the SHTF.
Outstanding work, either way. Well done!

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68 tool master April 19, 2011 at 06:26

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69 Parker July 26, 2011 at 01:34

Hello,
I noticed this blog and I have to say I am quite impressed with your work. I would really love to get one of these knives asap. I did read the part on how you won’t know when they will be avalible for purchase but I was wondering if you have an update on that at all. Thanks for the help!

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