- Operators totally wear Infidel Shirts
Ever since we started dropping bombs, kicking ass, and taking names in Afghanistan and Iraq, I started seeing all these infidel shirts, hats and other stupid infidel branded shit popping up for sale online. Generally I file gay tactical stuff like this under the “Multicam” category in my brain and go on with my day.
But lately there has been an explosion in Infidel branded crap being peddled on every corner of the internet. I figure it is only a matter of time before people start making Dog Sweaters with “infidel” written on the back so they can look like “operators” while walking their dog in the park.
The first thing that makes these shirts stupid is the fact that the term “infidel” is an insult. Someone wearing an Infidel shirt is the equivalent of someone wearing a shirt that says “Les américains sont des Idiots” in French [Americans are Idiots] or a shirt that just says “Fuck Christianly.”
Yes people, the term “Infidel” is an insult, so it just doesn’t make any sense at all to wear a shirt that basically says “I am a piece of shit unbeliever of any religion or belief.”
Now the justification some folks use for wearing Infidel Shirts is “We are taking the word Infidel back as a way to insult the insulters” [something like “nanny, nanny boo-boo stick your head in doo-doo” or some other intelligent reason].
Sure I agree – fuck the folks that call us Infidels, but at the same time why would you want to toss everyone in the Middle East in the same asshole basket.
- Hmmmmm… Should I wear my super tight Infidel or Affliction shirt to the grocery store today?
Something like 90% of the Security Contractors on my team are Iraqis, most of these guys have been working with and helping the US from as far back as 2003. Countless other Iraqis and Afghanis have giver their lives protecting US personnel, cargo, and bases, as Civilian Security Contractors.
That is probably why I have never seen any actual Operators wear an Infidel shirt and I have sure as hell never seen anyone wear one here in theater [you know a shirt is gay if even a FOBBIT wouldn’t wear one]. I honestly really don’t know anyone who even owns one. I guess maybe they are popular to wear at gun ranges in the States so you look like a tough guy or something.
So basically wearing an Infidel Shirt screams “I have never pulled a trigger in the Middle East.” They are not quite as douchebag as wearing 5.11’s and a tight ass Affliction shirt to Starbucks, but they still scream “I am a Wannabe Operator.”
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~James G
Founder – Editor in Chief
James G is a Veteran Civilian Contractor who has worked in the Middle East and Southeast Asia for way too long. He spends his off time in Indonesia and Virginia getting drunk, shooting guns, writing poorly written articles and Buying T-Shirts that Actually Fit.
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great post. I am not sure why people were these shirts. the power of internet is strong!!
tim(Quote This Comment)
wow, lucky not to have any Infidel gear.. I would not want to insult someone who is there to help us
Maurice(Quote This Comment)
James you miss the point. I will send you one of my custom Affliction shirts with Infidel on the back in size smedium (small arms, medium chest).
Wear it. Look at yourself in the mirror, and do an honest assessment…..you are a badass. People fear you. Drink a Rip-it(sugarfree) with your bowl of ice cream in the chow hall so people know that you:
#1- Are NOT to be fucked wit
#2- GO hard or go to the rack for a mid day nap
#3- Are not to be fucked with while taking a nap
I am with you on the infidel shirts for the most part, but you will never get me to give up my multi-cam under-armor shirt….that I wear on the outside.
Brannon L.(Quote This Comment)
Hey James, although i don’t own any Infidel attire i would guess it’s just us state side folks wanting people to know we support you guys over there!!!. I am no operator just an old timey gunsmith who’s youth has slipped by and in reality would like to be over there with you!!. i guess my contribution is and was my sons that proudly served and one still serves over there. So forgive the wanabe operators and cut them some slack, hey at least you have some supporters those boys in Viet-Nam had just the opposite!!!. For myself we appreciate the sacrifices you guys are making and keep up the good fight.
Mark(Quote This Comment)
I wonder what happened to my old Infidel t-shirt. Maybe it’s packed away with my multicam stuff. I always lose my “cool” things….. Oh, well. The ancient Harley t-shirt I’m wearing will have to do.
David West(Quote This Comment)
David…do you have a Harley?
Brannon L.(Quote This Comment)
….not to mention the fact that the Koran puts Christians and Jews into the category “People of the Book”. Infidels are people who don’t believe in God, J, C & I all believe in the same God, just in different ways. And no this isn’t some liberal wank, this is what the Prophet wrote down and any muslim* who disagrees can bring it up with Big Mo.
*So called, last I checked most of the people calling christians “infidels” don’t know the Koran from Cosmopolitan.
Lew(Quote This Comment)
Right on brother! I never did get the whole wearing a shirt that brands you a name your enemy graces you with as means to demean us. There are a ton of other ways to show your patriotism and / or service to our nation. Call me old fashioned; but I subscribe to the theory that “Pride and Honor are their own recognition”. Wearing “Infidel” gear does not make you an operator. Not wearing it does not make you any less of a “bad ass”; than standing in the wood makes you a tree. What you wear does not tell your actions, your sacrifice, your honor, or how hard you bring it. It says I spent $40 on a shirt because I feel I had to prove it. That being said I love my MCam and wear it because I like it. Just like some guys like Nike. Not because I have something to prove. Thanks and to all my brother down range stay safe …
Tactical Dad Project(Quote This Comment)
Brannon, yes, sure do. (Answered earlier but it must have got lost in internet land)
David West(Quote This Comment)
Wow, everyone has to dog everyone else. I practice martial arts, but do I bitch that people wear TapOut stuff. My guess is alot of people have any number of brands, that don’t do the work. Airwalk, Radar, hell anyone have a Ferrari t-shirt or Porsche and not actually own one. It’s call believing and supporting those who do. Having admiration and respect for it. Chances are if your a contractor for at least two major firms, your boss is a wanna be, you still like the check I am guessing. Oh well everyone feels better to rip on everyone else. so have fun doing it I guess.
EyeOnStuff(Quote This Comment)
I’m actually cool with the idea of taking “infidel” back, taking their insult and throwing it back in their face. But it makes us look pretty damn stupid when we cant even spell it right on a shirt, when even google translator can do it right for you. Whats on that shirt is just 4 random letters, if you want it to actually SAY “infidel” its gotta look like كافر
CaptainChaos(Quote This Comment)
“TAP OUT” means you quit, right? I never got that one either. Every time I see some fat ass that’s daily exercise is 12oz curls…….I laugh! Really loud!
Cossa24(Quote This Comment)
I do see the point of taking “infidel” back, taking their insult and throwing it back in their face – but why would I want to Insult or Throw something in the face of the guys [my Iraqi teammates] who watch my back an a daily basis while I run missions in Iraq. These guys are my brothers, they would do anything for me and I the same, I have no desire to insult them at all
Maybe I just don’t get it or I am just not that “cool”
~James G
James G.(Quote This Comment)
LOL………………push come to shove, you are just another turd in the rice paddy. They will have your back when you are bent over like a donkey.
Steven “stgang”(Quote This Comment)
I thought I was only one who had a problem with those shirts and most of them look Tacky-as-hell by the way… I am waiting for the Infidel infant apparel line to hit suburbia at any moment now>>>
Rashad Flowers(Quote This Comment)
This article and this comment are fucking classic!
Infidel shirts=gay. Under Armor Infidel shirts=totally badass.
James V(Quote This Comment)
AMEN! Finally, somebody gets it!
curt in texas(Quote This Comment)
Just wanted to point out that ‘infidel’ has latin roots. I don’t think many arabic speakers use ‘infidel’ that often. Despite the shirts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel:
“The origins of the word Infidel date to the late 15th century, deriving from the French “infidèle” or Latin “infidelis”, from in- ‘not’ + fidelis ‘faithful’ (from fides ‘faith,’ related to fidere ‘to trust’).”
Try this on for size:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir
Will(Quote This Comment)
Oh well. Guess I’m just uncool. I’ve had an “infidel” shirt for several years. I don’t wear it that often, but when I do I always get positive comments from folks. They seem to get a kick out of it. I’m no bad-ass. Just a dumb old retired cop.
OCCD(Quote This Comment)
OCCD(Quote This Comment)
I wear my infidel stuff as a big “fuck you” to all the anti-american muslims that live IN the united states.
I also hope if some moooselimb decides to go “jihad” in a public place that hopefully he’ll pick me out as a target instead of someone who might not be armed.
James, I pretty much agree with you on 90% of all your other stuff, so we can agree to disagree on this one.
FYI, I work with some iraqi’s now and 90% of them are turds. (My opinion.)
gunslinger275(Quote This Comment)
To clarify, I meant 90% on my current contract are turds.
gunslinger275(Quote This Comment)
Boy “Les américains sont des Idiots” t-shirts would certainly be popular up here in Canada. lol
Good thing your translated it, I am a stupid Englishman in Canada that speaks not a word of French (we won after all).
James(Quote This Comment)
My favorite look is the Infidel shirt and MC tactical ball cap with a “pork-eating crusader” patch.
RC(Quote This Comment)
You miss the point of the shirts entirely. I will be buying some in the future. It goes beyond just an insult to the M.E., and beyond borders. Its for all the American hating muslims and islamists that hate me because i’m 1. Christian and 2. I’m American.
If it causes someone to speak out, maybe I can educate them. If it causes someone to go jihad, well sucks to be them.
Icefox724(Quote This Comment)
James, I respect you greatly and have spent quite a few hours reading your posts on here, and thank you for them. Of course, once in a while I see things differently and this is an instance. I volunteered for the army in a time of war, picked a combat arms MOS when I could have chosen almost any MOS (combat engineer with an 85 on the ASVAB & a 119 GT), volunteered to go to Iraq as a private, volunteered to go outside the wire with the 2 other platoons in my company at FOB Falcon and Camp Prosperity as a gunner and as an dismount RTO…point is I don’t see myself as a badass but I am a warrior who loves my line of work (most of the time).
That being said, I don’t see the correlation with wearing infidel gear and insulting our Muslim comrades at all. Are you saying that one has pointed this out to you or something like that? To this day I still correspond through email with 1 of our terps and I’ve never heard him even say the word once so how would I be insulting him? Hell, I was on the National Police Transition Team at Prosperity and we worked with Iraqis every single day and never had I once heard any of them say the word…and we had daily dialogues about everything under the sun especially the Muslim on Muslim violence so that we could understand our comrades, even the ones who were shitbags that did as little as possible.
The premise of the infidel line is what? To take back the word and throw it in the face of those calling us it. So unless the people you’ve referred to are calling us infidel, how is it insulting to them? As soon as I read that it basically means fuck Christianity I thought “Whoa! The radical Shiites call the Sunnis infidels and the radical Sunnis call the Shiites infidels and they’re both Muslims! It really isn’t Christianity specifically; it’s those who don’t believe exactly what they believe, especially other Muslims, as far as I know and have been educated in country by Iraqis”. My terp said something like “It means like ‘non-believer piece of shit’, you understand? Sometimes they say imperialist sometimes they say invaders or occupiers. It’s just a fucking insult to Americans”.
1 other thing before I sign off. You said you don’t even know anyone who has one, yet you’ve popped off all this stuff about how those of us who do have infidel gear MUST be wanna be’s (I’m paraphrasing) and judging from almost every comment after your initial thoughts it seems like that’s the consensus here. Funny, considering that the tan major league infidel shirt I have has gotten nothing but good feedback from both guys in my unit who have asked where I got it (right outside the PX at Victory, I believe for $20), and from random dudes who have literally approached me and said they liked it, support the troops, ask me if I serve etc etc. Do I wear it to look special? Fuck no! I like it! Hell, I’ve got an infidel backplate for my Glock because I LIKE IT. Are there phonies and wanna-be’s out there who have them? Sure. Do I really give a fuck? No, why would I when there are motherfuckers out there running around with fake medals and purple hearts and shit acting like they’re decorated vets. THOSE ARE THE GUYS WHO BOTHER ME. EyeOnStuff had it right when making the comparison about people wearing tapout. Cossa24 – if you make someone tap out you’re making them submit, right? WTF is so hard to get? If the company was called knockout it would be the same premise, different application. Not that hard if you think about it.
DogRomeo(Quote This Comment)
Great post!
Thanks (to you and others) for giving some insights about the use of the word “infidels”. I think people need to be educated about stuff before assuming anything.
So, those who are wearing a shirt that says “infidels” on the front, need to add “I’m fucking idiot” on the back.
And…kudos to the ones who make them, you’re a hell of opportunistic MF.
Everybody….educate your self!!!! Don’t eat the puke of others!!!!
Adam(Quote This Comment)
Just the inspiration I needed to post my “asshole in infidel shirt” pic collection
HB(Quote This Comment)
http://www.opsgear.com/index/page/product/product_id/2535/category_id/29/product_name/Female+INFIDEL+T-Shirt
Gettin’ there, big guy.
DogRomeo(Quote This Comment)
Now this is some funny shit… WTF.. gay gay gay
Jagger(Quote This Comment)
I’ve been reading all these post and dont understand why does anyone care what shirt someone wants to wear BFD…I dont own one but if I wanted to I guess that my given right to wear one 7 days a week, hell in fact I’d wear one under a flannel shirt and the sleeve of that shirt ripped off redneck style and not give two fucks what anyone said. I’d wear one while reading green eggs and ham while taking a big duce. Now I’m sure once I post this I’m gunna get torn apart and in good spirt I will have a laugh I dont care. Second point is I do own a pair of multi cams they work great for hunting.
Tim(Quote This Comment)
actually the power of stupid is even stronger.
Mike(Quote This Comment)
James writes some good stuff. But his opinions are very strong and his sarcasm opinions and way of putting them into words is actually one of the things I like about DVM. However, he, like me, has a tendency to piss someone off with his strong opinions. I don’t agree with some of the stuff he as written, but it’s still a good read. And, when it comes right down to it, it’s just his opinion anyway. Don’t anyone get their panties in a wad here. Hell, I’ve pissed James off a time or two with some shit I’ve written. Oh well! It’s my opinion, based on my experiences and usually just meant to get a laugh anyway. But sometimes I piss someone off in the process. The way I look at it, they can get over it, get the fuck out, or bring it! On that note, I stink and need a shower!
Tom M(Quote This Comment)
Isn’t Affliction and Tapout normal D-bag wear? I don’t see much Infidel sthuff but I thought maybe it was Castro’s full first name. My dog has a dayglo Multicam winter float coat. Does that count? Is he kewl?
W Johnson(Quote This Comment)
James,
It seems you’re emphasizing that there are many good Muslims who are on our side in this war, and that these shirts could be offensive to them. The sentiment stateside, especially among the patriotic, is more negative towards all Muslims. When you say that these shirts are offensive to Muslims, many of the reddest-blooded Americans will happily agree and buy another one. Maybe you can try harder to emphasize to the rest of us who aren’t in your line of work, that most Muslims are on our side (if that is your experience), since that’s not the most common sentiment over here, especially among the pro-war contingent.
Thinker(Quote This Comment)
[you know a shirt is gay if even a FOBBIT wouldn’t wear one]. You have never been to KAF have you James?
kenny(Quote This Comment)
This may sound weenie. But I got a kick from Prince Harry’s ball cap he got from an american unit, when he was deployed in Afghanistan. O%n the front was the US flag. on the back, it said:” We do bad things to bad people”
BIG-TARGET(Quote This Comment)
James,
Whilst I’m not normally the type to post comments on articles such as this, I wanted to take a moment to say…”thank you”.
Real life just isn’t black and white. We, as Americans or her allies, don’t hold a monopoly on being the good guys with everyone else either being a baddie or an unquestioning ever-grateful damsel in distress. A position of strength isn’t a license to be a f’ing dickhead. The whole purpose of our involvement in many places is to help locals oppressed by the Taliban, these locals still being Muslim. We are not there to convert them on some weird hypocritical Christian jihad, and America as a theocratic force would defy all that this country stands for–freedom to practice any faith or none at all. All that to say: Stand strong, don’t ever apologize for your own beliefs and values, but use a bit of class and common sense and don’t lump everyone isn’t you into a basket, proceed to piss all over them and insult them, then wonder why people don’t respond well or cooperate.
Again, thanks for this. If you can cause some well-meaning but otherwise thoughtless people to reconsider, it will go a long way towards restoring the reputation of those of you in the fray trying to do the right thing.
V.O.V(Quote This Comment)
I have an Infidel shirt made by 5.11 and BLACKHAWK! that I got from gun nutter at the gunshow who is selling airsoft parts for “real steel” guns! And its in Multicam!! I’m gonna wear it at Walmart while I have my Tapout shorts on with my Merrel sneaker boots and my tactical ball cap too. I’m a Military simulator airsoft operator who portrays a PMC operator. My call sign is “JIMMY GEE” and I have a nametape with that on my tac-hat! I really piss off the other guys who portray the insurgents! Only true red blooded Americans rate to wear the Infidel shirt! Anyone who does’t agree is a closet commie and loves jihadist!
Airsoft PMC(Quote This Comment)
Well said Sir!
James does write an excellent article and ocassionally , he pisses people off, but thats what being your own man is all about. Im glad you posted your thoughts and Im certain your friends and co-workers thank you for taking a shower!
curt in texas(Quote This Comment)
When does you stand up comedy tour start, or are the venues already sold out?
DogRomeo(Quote This Comment)
Thanks, James, 100% agree with you on this matter. Like MultiCam though^^
wasenshi(Quote This Comment)
I wouldn’t categorize the word infidel as an insult but I agree that guys who where wear are wannabe badasses to some degree.
JD(Quote This Comment)
who gives a shit what anyone else wears. one of the funniest things i ever saw was a whale of a woman sportin’ sweat pants with juicy written across the ass.
i like to wear a dodgers jersey, though i don’t like the dodgers nor do i play baseball. i just like the jersey. am i a MLB wannabe?
like the earlier poster said, i have a bigger problem with someone claiming purple hearts or bronze stars though they’ve never be outside the states much less been inside a warzone.
shawn w(Quote This Comment)
OK, OK, OK. I don’t have any “infidel” branded items, but just like I would call myself a “haole” in Hawaii (something of an insult when someone calls u that there), or a honkey back home in SC, I occasionally refer to myself as “a jesus-loving, pork-eating, infidel scum” as a way to thumb my nose at our enemies. Kind of a case of, “Yeah, I am one, but I’m not bothered by your insults.” And especially to our enemies, “…and we’re kicking your ass.”
Ruppert Baird(Quote This Comment)
I’m pretty sure I qualify as an infidel, but all of my tee shirts are plain black ones that come in bags of three to five.
When I’m feeling particularly saucy, I wear one with a pocket.
Point is, if your shirts have words and shit on them and it’s not “[name]” and “[branch]“, a sports team, or something that directly relates to your life (unit tee, training tee, something local, etc.), and you are not in high school, you need to get some big boy shirts.
JH1388(Quote This Comment)
Shit , I guess I will Have to wear My Contractors Shirt to Wal-Mart . Not!
swordpoint9(Quote This Comment)
I have a few Infidel shirts to sell, because after ive read this i couldnt wear them without laughing
Chris(Quote This Comment)
Uh ! anyone know where I can get one from.
skukuza(Quote This Comment)
I’m heading out on tour with the 5.11/BLACKHAWK! bus tour…..We’re gonna be making all stops at airsoft events, 3 gun matches, and gun shows. Free admission for anyone with a Infidel shirt. Also there will be some prize give a ways for best tactically fashionable outfit, free milspec monkey morale patches, tactical caps, anything multicam, and the new super awesome A-TACs camo! Chris Costa’s cousin from MagPul will be there to sign your P-mags too. When the tour stops in your town, just make sure you have your Infidel Affliction shirt and Tap Out shorts on for your special douche bag backpack filled with what every PMC operator needs. Just ask for Jimmy GEE…..Ranger Up is having a male model competition with their shirts too!! Sponsored by : 5.11, BLACKHAWK!, MagPul, Tap Out, Affliction, Tokyo Marui, Condor, DVM, Benchmade, Ranger Up, Oakley, Merrel, Harley Davidson, Bushmaster ACR, Multicam, A-TACs, Tru-Spec, and many many more!!!
Airsoft PMC(Quote This Comment)
I’m not one of the guys on here that sucks James’s dick every time he writes something. But after looking at that pic of the two douche bags that accompanied this story, I have to agree with his point here. I have worked more that a few shifts bouncing in bars on the side and I started to see the “Tap Out” shit about 4 or 5 years ago. It’s always some d-bag who thinks he’s seen enough UFC re-runs to kicks anyone’s ass in the bar. Inevitably, it always turns out to be the 1st cock smoker that I have to open the door with like he’s a battering ram. After that, I started seeing the Infidel shirts. I basically categorized them along with the “Tap Out” faggots. I guess it’s nice to have a label on the front of someones shirt though that tells the bouncer, “Hey, I have a small cock, have never been in the military, octagon or even a band member and will most likely try to compensate for it tonight by starting a fight with someone who looks like an easy target, since the chances of me getting laid for free by someone other than my uncle Chester are even lower than the chances of me winning a fight.” So in that respect, I like the shirts even though, due to my schedule, I don’t get to do much off duty work these days.
I still love the pic though! Those two douche bags holding guns look like fish out of water! lol
Tom M(Quote This Comment)
Never been to the Middle East and all I know about it is what I see on the news and the internet which I’m sure is mostly bullshit. But I’m guessing if the Middle East is anything like Asia, the majority of the workers/people on any American ran installation are host country local nationals somewhat friendly to our cause and or dollar so I don’t see the point in pissing them off and alienating friends. While overseas, my ass was bailed out of trouble (off duty and drunk) by more than a few locals who said, “hey, may not want to walk down that street.” A little respect goes a long way.
cj(Quote This Comment)
Thanks for another great post. I read them while wearing my “Pagan” tshirt.
TD(Quote This Comment)
Dang James, you did it again! You hit the nail on the head and pissed off half the readers here. That’s impressive Sir!
This article belongs in the DVM hall of fame, right next to the articles about contractor hats and killing baby kitties when you see multi-cam.
Take care,
Buckaroomedic(Quote This Comment)
Oh dear me, have Muslims been offended again? Here come the beheadings.
It should be Kaffir, not Infidel, but the fact is that James is wrong about just about everything including the “tres stupide” attempt at writing in French.
Islamists (who represent the vast majority of Muslims, including those mythical creatures called Muslim “moderates”) call ALL non-Muslims Kuffar (pl of Kaffir aka Infidel). Including Jews and Christians. Muslims recognising and respecting Jews and Christians as “people of the book” is an oft repeated load of leftist BS that has no basis in history nor in today’s reality.
And, no, before anyone asks, I do not own any Infidel gear. But I do know true operators and grunts, military and civilian, in the ME AO, who do wear such gear without pissing their pants at the thought of offending Muslims.
And I doubt that will change just because James G has managed to find a few Muslims that do not want him dead (until ofcourse they develop Sudden Jihad Syndrome-SJS).
Muslims WILL be offended by something. And the sun shall rise, and the birds shall sing…
An infidel or Kafir, as we understand the term today, is someone who does not believe in the terrorist ideology called Islam. Not only that, but they are PROUD not to believe in Islam.
Nothing wrong with being a proud kafir. Infact, there is something wrong with you if you’re not one.
Jason V(Quote This Comment)
OK, the Infidel shit is just plain fucking bone-smoking gay. The only people I see wearing that shit have acne, fucked up Bubba teeth, and think a .380 is a major caliber. Nothing like a bunch of college kids wearing affliction gear while running for crew (boat rowing).
I agree with James, way to many nationals have been at the backs of the American effort to rebuild and make their countries and lives better. Why screw with them? When we leave these people will probably be butchered for working with us.
Ben W(Quote This Comment)
I think I can clear this up for MOST of mankind. You must ask the question, would “Old School Man” wear a shirt like this? I think not! Personally, Im of the opinion that MEN as a whole have gone down the toilet in the last 30 years. Im 50, so I think I know what im talking about and even if no one agree’s, too bad. I can’t think of one single MALE in present day that I would call a hero, role model or even a bad ass. Most of the television hero’s are just thugs who bully others around and kill everything in sight. The young boy’s of the world need role models like I had as a boy. Men like John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Gary Cooper, Clark Gable and Ronald “BY GOD” Reagan, not these steroid filled ass wipes we have now. Whats all this got to do with a T-Shirt you ask? Everything Lad’s, EVERYTHING! Its all about trying to look like a big dog, and I have news for you. If you really are a badass, you dont need a fucking infidel shirt to prove it! Grow the fuck up, and get something straight M8′s, the only person impressed with that kinda crap, is the guy wearing it! You may walk around with your chest pushed out like a banty rooster and wear all the cool t-shirts and caps you want until some 130 lb. soakin wet “real badass” sends you runnin back to mama, all the whilst, you are pissin down your legs ! Ok Im done. In the words of the immortal Dr. Earl Pitts, PITTS OFF !
curt in texas(Quote This Comment)
I’m still stuck in old school mode, instead of an Infidel shirt and a contractor ball cap with velcro on the front, i’d rather have a “Kill a Commie for Mommie” shirt in woodland cammie and a matching beret. At least with my shirt I don’t piss off a race or religion, just dirty commies and who gives a fuck about them?
cj(Quote This Comment)
An old wise man once said ‘Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken’
JWhite(Quote This Comment)
Been reading DVM for a while. Love it. James is right. If you have to wear any kind of shirt in particular to try and send a message, especially if the message is that you are a badass, then you are fucking retarded. Steve Mcqueen would not wear that shit. If he wanted to send a message to hadji, commie or who ever he would enlist, or go find a HVP to protect. People need to grow the fuck up. As for airsofter up there, …. I hope he joking… cause f not He is proof that this article is spot on.
Murphy(Quote This Comment)
“Steve Mcqueen would not wear that shit” Hilarious.
gMiller(Quote This Comment)
Yeah go wear those shirts in South Beirut and see how long you remain lead free…lol…douchebag sharmootahs!…they never zipped a buddy up in a green vinyl bag after a bad day..what the fuck do they know..You want to impress me put on a dish dasha go into a hookah bar in country ,and pop a couple of them jihadis with a suppressed Walther…and walk out alive to talk shit later on….Theres a reason the DFAC’s in country are so full of these KookBastardRednecks…Walmart wouldnt hire them.KBR would..LOL
xray seven(Quote This Comment)
FFS, it’s just a fuckin shirt and you guys talking about a shirt to another whole new level.. LOL
proud airsofter(Quote This Comment)
So this guy I know has a snappy pair of cut off denim short that say “All American infidel” on the back. Are those ok to hit the gym with?
Gregimus prime(Quote This Comment)
*So called, last I checked most of the people calling christians “infidels” don’t know the Koran from Cosmopolitan.
Mattlock(Quote This Comment)
i’m glad someone finally said it!!! i’ve always thought those shirts were fucking ignorant!
charlie s.(Quote This Comment)
Unsubscribing to this particular post now. Can’t take any more of ya’ll who feel the need to be a douche nozzle when the entire point of the clothing line is saying “FUCK YOU I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU CALL ME YOU RADICAL ISLAMO FASCIST”.
Have you ever gone to an NFL, NASCAR, NBA etc game & seen an idiot wearing the same jersey as you or rooting for the same team as you? It’s the same goddam thing, retards! Anybody can buy any shirt they can afford but for fucks sake, why are you blowing a gasket over a line of clothing that’s PRO-AMERICAN!?!??!!?
DogRomeo(Quote This Comment)
Sooo, they DON’T refer to us as infidels? Must have read all those AQ translations wrong then. All this started with guys in the field, not the net, not t-shirt salesmen, not airsoftees. The whole idea behind Infidel or Infidel Strong is that if Islam entails fascist/theocratic dictatorship, the murder of women and children, cutting off heads of prisoners and the general fuck-headness of these fucking stoneage apes, then fuck them, we’re proud they call us nonbelievers or infidels. As with all things American, though, it gets overused and abused and over time just gets lost in the noise of mass marketing and consumer frenzy for cool things. It all depends on your AO as well; if you’re working with indigs day in and day out, you develop rapport, especially if you have to count on them for your survival! Even though we’ve been on partnered ops with these fucks, I wouldn’t trust them to wash my skivvies let alone cover my ass, especially in Asscrackistan! And don’t even get me started on the religion in general. I’ll just say this: Islam is a gutter religion. It is the world’s most successful cult. It was founded by a psychopathic, raping, murdering pedophile who piggy-backed his fucked up ideas on the back of the bible, convinced some other fucked up assholes to follow him with the promise of riches and white pussy, and slashed and burned his way across the Mideast, the Levant, and into Europe and have been causing hate and discontent ever since. I’m not a fan of the Religion of Peace.
PogueMahone(Quote This Comment)
Thank you….finally someone who sees it for what it is. People need to understand its not just america….anyone who doesnt bow to allah is an infidel. we will see more and more attacks in other countries. they hate everyone who wont claim islam. Infidel is the same as being called a grunt, or trunkmonkey or any of the other seemingly degrading names that we give each other. As for the man who started this discusion, i dont doubt your time nor connection to the people you served under or led while in the sandbox….however, you dont describe the same experience i had while in iraq.
endure2end(Quote This Comment)
What about dumb pictures of patches next to tactical gear? Is that also retarded?
Jason A(Quote This Comment)
There’s nothing wrong with what you wrote. Ya gotta love them “HATERS” ,lol
curt in texas(Quote This Comment)
Well, as an Islamic American, current active duty NCO (Iraq 2008, Afghan 2010), I must say I’ve never felt more like a second class citizen than I have reading most of these comments. Terrorism works both ways my friends, and many of the close-minded, racist comments that I’ve seen remind me eerily of the words from the most hard-line Imans I’ve heard speak throughout the Middle East. We should be fighting hatred with peace, ignorence with education, and anger with empathy.
Davood(Quote This Comment)
I was sent to this site by a friend, from what I have read you are worried about some Mall ninja with a infidel shirt stealing your thunder. Ok so you have worked in the Mid-East (yes) so have I (so you carry a gun) so have I (you don’t have infidel shit) I do. So this web site is just about you pumping your self up to sound like other arrogant American contractors. “I am cool because I work in Iraq, and carry a gun and have killed more people than you and I have the best training and you don’t, my gear is cooler than yours) You have sealed the deal for me bro, I will not be back to this site just to hear you cry about some stupid shit! got better things to do with my time here in Iraq!
Rich McCallk(Quote This Comment)
Nice!
Rich McCallk(Quote This Comment)
what stupid fucking bravo sierra – if you identify yourself as an ‘islamic’. then how long before you start killing off non-muzzie military, like your brother at Fort Hood? And you try to play that fuzzy leftists race card by saying, oooh, racist comments – what race do you refer to? Do you ignorantly think muslim is a ‘race’? Borrow a dictionary. Racist would refer to comments derogatory to a racial group, i.e., blacks, Hispanics, Asians…. muzzie is not a race. Yet any time that someone catches a muzzie trying to blow up a military base, ‘honor raping’ a child, stoning a woman until her brains are spattered through her splintered skull, or anything else that the koran prescribes, if they mention the fact that only muzzies do this shit, the person is called ‘raaaaacist!’
I fought in Nam, and thank God we did not have any muzzies to turn our backs on who would have fragged us in our sleep; my parents and grandparents came from another country but upon arriving in the USA they pledged their allegiance to the USA – and did not say, we are Russian-American- they were American. No one had to worry about them suddenly turning on their own country and murdering Americans. Only the muzzies do that.
If you want to ‘fight hatred with peace’, you might try the peace corps. You would find the civilians easier to kill.
Muslims have a proven track record of betraying those who are foolish enough to turn their backs on them. Ask anyone from Fort Hood, where my nephew was stationed shortly before your role model started killing unarmed people.
Fuck islam and its pervert prophet.
Slobyskya Rotchikokov(Quote This Comment)
You are right, my bad for mentioning race. I have met good islamic brothers and sisters of all races. Of course many of my christian brothers of middle eastern decent are also treated with some degree of distrust due to their ethnicity. But as far as the message of my post goes, thanks for proving its validity again by the tenacity of your point of view.
Davood(Quote This Comment)
We had a guy come here to Killeen, Texas(right outside of Ft. Hood) awhile back to give a lecture. His name is Walid Shoebat and he is a “former” palestinian terrorist, who now proclaims to be a Christian. I went to hear the man speak and he was dead serious in his description of the Muslim world and their policy with everyone else. I cant quote him verbatim, but in a nutshell, He said” Muslims will smile at you and tell you that they are a peaceful, loving bunch and that radical islam has no place in their life and the minute you leave their presence, its business as usual. The lie is part of the plan. I dont doubt that there are good people entrenched in the Islamic culture and it would be wrong to say that they are all bad, but you should look into this guys website, he makes some very interesting points and I did see some of what he said , while I was in Afghanistan. Just sayin
curt in texas(Quote This Comment)
James, thanks for saying what has been on my mind for a long time now.
Aaron(Quote This Comment)
I dont know what the Infidel shirt or statement has to do with ‘operators’ other than they are mostly sold by suppliers of mil-spec type gear. I do know that anyone who isnt a muslim is considered an infidel. I am not a muslim therefore I am totally within my rights to wear an infidel shirt. Yes, its probably brash and in your face and not politically correct, but then neither is my Rock out with your cock out T-shirt. Quit treading on our first amendment rights dude!
Buffalohump(Quote This Comment)
Islam does not respect or approve of Christians, Jews, or non-believers. We are to be given the chance to convert to Islam or be killed. If we convert then we would become second class citizens similar to slaves and African-Americans for years past in this great country. Please so some research. Just because you have a good working relationship with some, maybe many, Muslims do not mistake their acceptance of us when we are in a position to destroy their civilization for true acceptance. The Prophet Muhammad wrote those things about the “believers of the Book” while in a Jewish controlled land. He later returned to that land that accepted his faith and systematically slaughtered the Jews and other “Infidels”. I am proud to be an Christian, American, and Infidel. I wear the badge with pride.
JASON FRIESEN(Quote This Comment)
Sorry for all the mistakes in that post. Typing very quickly.
JASON FRIESEN(Quote This Comment)
James G, I have to agree with you here! I have been given a few of these and I totally understand the Patriotic message that they are trying to portray but I think wearing something like this anywhere in public is just plain asking for trouble! Best application – a Patriotic “collectible” to have stowed away (is what I am doing with mine)…
gipb(Quote This Comment)
I’m an American. I am most certainly NOT in submission to Allah or any other deity. God gave Man free will for a reason, and I don’t plan on frittering away this gift by bowing my head at the altar of political correctness. Infidel? Damn right I am, and proud of it too!
crashonhead(Quote This Comment)
Infidel means unbeliever of religion. Thats it. Its not an insult. From Wikipedia:
An infidel (literally “one without faith”) is one who has no religious beliefs, or who doubts or rejects the central tenets of a particular religion – especially in reference to Christianity or Islam.
tom(Quote This Comment)
one without thier faith…………………………………..
Steven “stgang”(Quote This Comment)
I have done my research and know the infadel does not just mean non believer. It is much more akin to calling a Hispanic person a wet back or a black person a nigger. It has a religious hatred to it. Read about what the Muslim is to do with an infadel. Convert, die, or be a slave. Stop assuming that people that think differently are not well read or less intelligent. I am an infadel to a Muslim because i choose to be of a different faith. A Muslim is not an infadel to me because I don’t want to kill him for his faith. I dont want to tax him more or enslave him. Not only do i not want to do these things, but my book of God does not command this of me.
Jason Friesen(Quote This Comment)
Always thought these shirts were ridiculous. It is pretty dumb to pay money to wear one. As dumb as OU fans who buy Texas Longhorn stickers to put upside down on their car. They do realize they’re money is going to UT???
Wes Pledger(Quote This Comment)
I googled “infidel logo” today after seeing a fellow veteran wearing a pin on his Army backpack on campus today at Arizona State. My first thought was “Is this a new Army issued backpack?” (I kid) and my second thought was….what a DOUCHE-BAG. Seriously? Infidel? In retrospect…wtf?!?! There are so many respectable Muslim people on ASU and I dont need a complete tool to reconfirm the notion that Americans are really that stupid…sheesh! >:(
Melissa(Quote This Comment)
Of all the comments about this subject, you have it right!
Steven “Stgang”(Quote This Comment)
I have an “infidel” shirt that I wear alongside my “The Koran: now in two ply” shirt because as an agnostic, I really don’t give a fuck – seriously. It’s not that I want to stir up shit or anything like that, it’s more my way of saying “Call me an infidel if you want, your religion is ass-backwards and any time you guys want to step into the modern age, let me know”.
If I offend a few Muslims on the way, so be it. I’m sure Christians get offended whenever I say “God damn it” so I’m an equal opportunity offender.
I drink, I smoke, I have recreational sex… I exemplify the “infidel” and I’m proud of it. Who are you to call me “fucking stupid”?
All terrorism aside, anyone who has a problem with my lifestyle can got to hell in a hand basket, it just so happens that “infidel” is the perfect word to describe me.
Tyler Vale(Quote This Comment)
Tyler, you are fucking stupid. I can think of a better word than Infidel to describe you though, Moron. Though if that is too many letters to fit on your t-shirt, how about Twat? Just saying brother.
Smooth Operator(Quote This Comment)
Ok, I don’t quite understand the 511 comment. Should I just hand my issued 511′s to that guy with the infidel shirt on, and get another brand? But I do agree. It is an integral part of our jobs to blend in. So the enemy cannot identify us, and make US the target. Tyler Vale, I can agree with your “attitude” to a point. But I wouldn’t want to wear something that targets me. Although our Military men and women provide you with the freedom to wear that shirt, they also provide you with the opportunity for you to represent yourself in a positive manner. I will not stoop to your level and call you names. All I ask is represent yourself in a respectful and positive manner.
Rich D.(Quote This Comment)
I see a lot of post from people who have never been there or fired a shot, that’s okay it’s everyone’s right to speak up even if there not informed about what they’re talking about. I’ve been fighting this war for 10 years, I have 3 purple hearts I’ve lost 27 of my friends, brothers and my own family,..I’ve been called Invader, Infidel, Devil, Demon, Satan, baby killer and spit on,( Chicago Airport…thanks for that), while escorting my dead brother to Arlington. no matter what I’m called I still have my Honor, we are the last Soldiers out of Iraq and now looking forward to Afghanistan, so if I’m called Infidel or wear a shirt that proclaims it, then I’ve earned it! my family has served this country for four generations, all of us are Marines and Infantry, I’m the first to do both services Marine Corps and Army, this is the first time since my father had came home that out country forgot what we gave to make sure that others will live, didn’t think much about buying a hat or T-shirt that says Infidel on it until now. don’t get caught up in thanking me for my service, we don’t do it for you, we do it for our brothers for the men on our right and left and I would gladly lay down my life for any of them regardless what there wearing!
SSG Everette Clark(Quote This Comment)
One more thing your beloved Iraqi Contractors Have a habit of killing Americans I got to watch your Iraqis gunned down charlie companies CO and have arrested several for terrorist activities like reporting our position to the enemy and other various fun things,..don’t tell me its isolated incidents, Iraqis are run by the dollar not the Qua ran it happened over and over maybe you should get a shirt that says “Supporting Terrorism” or “killing Americans”!
SSG Everette Clark(Quote This Comment)
“One more thing your beloved Iraqi Contractors Have a habit of killing Americans I got to watch your Iraqis gunned down charlie companies CO and have arrested several for terrorist activities like reporting our position to the enemy and other various fun things,..don’t tell me its isolated incidents, Iraqis are run by the dollar not the Qua ran it happened over and over maybe you should get a shirt that says “Supporting Terrorism” or “killing Americans”!”
I wish more people here would realize this!!!! The Iraqis, and Afgans are desperate people, and they will sympathize with their “own”, just as Americans stand by our Military men and women.
And SSG Clark, Thank you!!! I don’t care if you don’t want thanks. That is the minimum I can offer you weather you like it or not.
Ohhhh…. and I wish I was there in Chicago Airport when you were spit on. I may have spent a few months in jail, but that person, male or female, will know the consequences for such behavior. And when all is said and done, they WILL think twice about doing something like that again!!!
Rich D.(Quote This Comment)
LOL………………( Iraqi Contractors ) push come to shove, you(Operators) are just another turd in the rice paddy. They will have your back when you are bent over like a donkey. You are right, I purged some of my aggression while kicking plenty of ass for being spit on and yes I loved it.
Steven “stgang”(Quote This Comment)
Infidel is in the same camp as Zombie gear. Also, one other point that must be brought up, they are ugly shirts.
gMiller(Quote This Comment)
I don’t have an infidel t-shirt, but I don’t see anything wrong with wearing one stateside. I think any muzzies over here should be clear to the fact that they are not welcome.
Oh, BTW, I disagree with the idea that muzzies worship the same God as Christians. That is just what mohammed told Jews and early Christians. He told arab pagans the truth – that they were worshipping Al the moon god.
Fred(Quote This Comment)
Hard to believe with all of the green on blue that’s going on you retards are even having this discussion. Reminds me of the hearts and minds dick sucking that I witnessed in Iraq. Company Commanders man kissing and saluting Iraqi officers, etc.
Fuck hajji and his little sensitivities. By the way I don’t own any faggoty military statement clothes. Maybe a unit shirt or 2.
northern edge(Quote This Comment)
Dudes, seriously. Nobody is taking the word infidel “back.” It’s completely there’s. Its called satire. And I totally rock a multi-cam hat. Why you ask? Because after leaving the Army, I go to school on a campus where people OPENLY talk shit-not about the war- but directly about soldiers/marines. They think suicide bombings and disabled vets are hilarious topics, recant the awesome videos on youtube, of joe’s getting vaporized. They literally squirm in disgust at the idea that I have been over seas and killed people in combat. And my hat is my small little way or quietly yet publicly saying “GO FUCK YOURSELF!” to all the haters out there. Plus I gotta represent for my boys still out there in the Ghan. So that’s my take. Be well brothers.
John(Quote This Comment)
My only disagreement with the article is that some people are just fucking dorks regardless if they are the real deal or not, doesn’t mean they didn’t serve or were not military or know their shit. First rule of a fight, never underestimate anyone.
A few years back, while getting ready to go to the local gun show, my girlfriend called to me from our balcony of our luxury apartment, “Hey, YOU have to come see this.”
I came out to the balcony to see two of my buddies walking up the steps to our apartment in perfect military step with one another smiling and proud. One a highly decorated former Marine (SRT), who served during the Gulf War and a law enforcement officer and the other a active SWAT member, the Marine was wearing a bright Red Marine Corp Tee, cammies and a Marine Cover, the SWAT pal was wearing Black BDU Bottoms with a SWAT tee and SWAT ballcap, both wore the I’ll skull fuck you sunglasses. Looking down, all I could do was mutter “Fucking Dorks!! WTF” and laugh.
My girlfriend looked me up and down at my surfer shorts and Billabong tshirt and Teva sandals and Oakleys and said “WTF, why are you not wearing that stuff, you served?” She first met me when I was still a group guy. I gave her the face and told her no worries, soon as I get to the show I am ditching these toolbags. Soon as we arrived, I slipped into the crowd and caught up with them later off sight.
Still to these day love em’ just didn’t want to be seen in public with em’ Fucking tools.
Jake(Quote This Comment)